RE: Subjective Morality?
October 15, 2018 at 2:17 pm
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2018 at 2:21 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(October 15, 2018 at 2:03 pm)mfigurski80 Wrote:(October 15, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Theists only claim they can, but cant demonstrate their claim to be true.
Show me one, just one moral system that is objective and demonstrate that the base of your system is true/real.
If you cant, then i consider arguing that objective morality is superior to subjective morality like arguing that your garage dragon is a better pet than my german sheperd.
I'll try. Again, it's fairly impossible to bridge the is/aught gap, but that's a problem common to both subjective and objective moralities. This is my attempt to not cross it by tautology.
Assumptions:
Moral Laws promote good
The things that are good, are good.
More good is more good that less good; aka: bringing about good/more good is good
Actions bring about change
Logic:
Actions that bring about good/more good are good actions.
Therefore, moral law must promote good actions to be a moral law.
There, I think I've made an objective claim about morality. It's fairly useless, but objective nevertheless.
The definition of Moral: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.
So goodness promotes good - I think you failed in making a tautology.
The question is what makes something good. Is what is good for you (in this sense) good for me?
(October 15, 2018 at 2:03 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:(October 15, 2018 at 1:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Do you think that throwing children into a wood chipper for the fun of it, is a matter of personal moral feelings or preferences? Could it be moral, depending on the person?We already established that subjective morality exists. What does your question to me have to do with my question? Ah, yeah....deflection.
(October 15, 2018 at 1:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: If there is no real morality outside of yourself, then defining a system seems more like your analogy to me.If you could provide the example i asked for then you already would have, right?
I dont care if you wish subjective morality to be true, i am asking if you have any of it that is true.
I did provide an example, and asked you a question. The question has to do with whether or not morality is subjective or objective. If you see my first post in this thread, I think that we are talking about two different things. Which is why what I said, is confusing you. And why what you said, doesn't apply to the moral argument and talking about what morality is (subjective or objective).
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