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Evolution/creation video
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RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 10, 2019 at 6:08 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(December 6, 2019 at 4:43 pm)Drich Wrote: All relgions have a quid pro quoe. you do ABC the deity provides XYZ..

Find out the ABC do it and see what happens.

If the ABC has to happen through and indivisual/preist whatever then the test is tainted. if the result of your ABC has to be interpreted by a priest or what ever the test is tainted.

The God of the bible works with people directly.

People that believe in the Bible god CLAIM that the Bible god works with people directly.

How does one go about testing if this claim is actually true?
Luke 11 spells it out it is what I was known for harping on here. It's to A/S/K or ask seek and knock is the analogy. it boils down to asking or talking to others about what God has done for them and praying (this prayer is in line with what Jesus teaches us is prayer/it is not asking for stuff) but asking for change and the ability to see and hear him work. it is seeking in the bible and in study. Meaning in order to see him work in our life, we must be able to identify the God of the bible. most of us has a corrupted or watered down/slanted view of God and expect the God of the bible to work in the ways we have been mistaught.

He wont. not generally anyway. You have to learn to meet him on his terms. We can only do this through study so we can build a picture of God and a accurate representation of how the holy Spirit works. Then to knock is to repeat.

Many say they have done this. I can promise most have not because they misrepresent who God is. they are still looking for the gandalf version of God. which means they have not sought nor knocked, meaning you have to keep going back keep refining your understanding till you get a correct picture. Most people seek or ask for God through some sort of verification process which again is not seeking God on his terms, but asking God to meet them on their terms.

To which I say what person of real power let alone almighty power bends his word or will to a lessor person or being? Would obama or trump drop what they were doing to meet you at your local starbucks just because you demanded a meeting? Same thing. Here you have an open invite, but you must 'dress the part' and speak the nomenclature and honor the procedure. Again God is not your buddy he is not your pop pop. Think penultimate being in existence, invites you to a black tie event and respond with the time date and place of your choosing and demand he be there instead. it simply does not work that way with man let alone work that way with an infinitely more powerful being.

Quote:I am pretty sure that you would accept that some percentage of people that believe that the Bible god worked with them directly, were actually: mistaken, or delusional, or misinterpreting a natural brain state (for example, temporal lobe epilepsy) as the Bible god working with them, and the Bible god did not actually work with them directly.
Here's the thing though... just because I do not see the good in what some people who claim to be of God do, does not mean even in evil God is using them is some way shape or form.

For instance Nazi germany claimed to be christian even though the replaced Jesus with hitler. (how can one claim to follow christ when christ has been removed fro the religion) either way, God did use those people to ultimately answer a 2000 year old prayer of the jews to be able to return home. Yes it cost the blood of 6 million, but if you honestly asked all of the jews between the destruction of israel/the temple in 70ad by the romans to the restoration right after WWII I would dare to say there would be few hundred million over 2000 years who would seriously be willing to give their life away to see jerusalem restored. God used the wicked evil of man in this case to petition the nations of the world to give the jews back their home. God took an evil and made something good



Quote:How does one go about telling the difference? How does one that sincerely believes the Bible god worked with them directly, actually verify they are correct?
If God can use our inner most evil desires to do a good like that then it would be next to impossible for us to say whether God worked with someone or not.

Ultimately that is between them and the lord.

All we can do is try and look at what comes of their work (the fruit or what they produce as the net result of that relationship) Like with the Nazis we can see that group may have claimed partnership but did not in their actions play out that partnership, however God used them to his ultimate will in the end.. On the other side it is quite easy to see someone actually work with in the frame work of God and see good works being done consistently over a long period of time. Will those people mess up, yes. will they continue to sin yes, but the measure of a man comes in the balance of his life not one day's mistakes.

Like wise we can discern evil men pretending to be in service with God. what we can not discern is if God chooses to use or work with an evil man's intentions for the ultimate good. IE using hitler to give the jews back their land. to use the dark ages to ultimately free the church from religion. ect..

Quote:How am I supposed to tell the difference between someone that actually had the Bible god work with someone directly, and someone who is mistaking or delusional?
read the bible.. this is apart of the seeking i was telling you about, When first get into God we all (can't help it) display what the bible calls spiritual fruit. These are evidences of the Holy Spirit indwelling people. yes they are common attributes, but what makes them uniquely attributes of the Holy Spirit is these attributes are often time displayed despite how harsh life is or has become for the Christian. As we no longer take input from other to help us define our self worth or being. which also means when asked that we know and understand the source of our fruit is of God and not some internal or external attribute like a cherry disposition or a child or new car ect..

The fruits are as follows:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

That said each of us are different and some of us may have say more self control than others or some may be naturally inclined to be kind and gentle, while other still have a stronger sense of forbearance. The idea is not that we are perfect in these attribute but these attributes govern who we are through the lens and or filter of God and the bible.

Yes people can have these attributes without God or the bible, but a christian knows his fruit are the net result of God and the bible, not something intrinsic to him or some outside influence.

Then as one gets more mature in the faith these stronger fruit manifest into spiritual gifts. These gifts are like spiritually augmented abilities.

These extraordinary spiritual gifts, often termed "charismatic gifts", are the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, increased faith, the gifts of healing, the gift of miracles, prophecy, the discernment of spirits, diverse kinds of tongues, interpretation of tongues. To these are added the gifts of apostles, prophets, teachers, helps (connected to service of the poor and sick), and governments (or leadership ability) which are connected with certain offices in the Church. These gifts are given by the Holy Spirit to individuals, but their purpose is to build up the entire Church.[1] They are described in the New Testament, primarily in 1 Corinthians 12,[6] Romans 12,[7] and Ephesians 4.[8] 1 Peter 4[9] also touches on the spiritual gifts.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_gift

Some say these gift ceased long ago. I say they are still available for the right people. I know I could not be here with you guys for so long if not for an almost supernatural knowledge and retention of the scripture and a crazy insite to God's word.

like this whole video thing came to me in a flash or a series of ideas on how all of genesis came together. As fast as I could write these completed idea came (out of order) it took some time to put everything together almost 10 years ago now, but little has changed since the original download of info..
Meaning this content was not the result of something I did because at the time I had no answers but something literally given to me in a flash of understanding.

Again how do you know it is legit? you have to ask and seek. you have to pray for direction and read the bible to see if what I said here contradicts it in any way. then decide for yourself as not every form of christianity is for every body. that is why we have so many different denominations.

Because our greatest commands are to love God with all your best and to love your neighbor as your self, because we are all different this level of love and understand we give to God will be different we need different was and different avenues/churches to worship in. which is why I/the bible says look for fruit.. (not a specific fruit like an apple or denominationally like a baptist or pentecostal but fruit in general. Like a Jesus Christ centered Religion.

Because if we have a Christ centered form of worship we not only have forgiveness when we sin we also have forgiveness 10xs over when we worship with all of our ability and simply get it wrong. God was able to give Christianity just two rules because of what Christ did, rather than books of rules like he had to give the jews. and those two rules are do your best by me (god) and take care of each others. for some this means a ton of rules and because they think this God holds them to said rule for others this means freedom and for them God also holds them to a tandard based on what they know.

Don't be afraid to check things out. if people are doing God's work THROUGH THE FILTER OF GOD AND THE BIBLE and it jives with you, then most likly you are with good people. If good works are being done and people or man made institutions are the source of these deeds and not God or God is a second thought... Then most ikly these people are not working with God. If out right evil (not immoral deeds/man's standard, evil being Gods) If out right evil is being accepted or justified then by their fruit you will know God is not with them.

(December 10, 2019 at 6:48 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(December 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: WATCH THE VIDEO! Educate yourself before you jump in. We could very well be speaking on a creation/evolution topic you never heard of before!

Asked and answered this question my self in the video. I show that there are two separate narratives one is a 7 day creation where evolved man/the species of man is created day 6 out side the garden and the chapter 2 narrative is Garden only. meaning chapter 2 man is of a specific individual. Adam.

I'm not sure why you cannot just give a short, summarized answer here, but okay, I will watch the video at some point. If it doesn't have the explicit answers to what I'm asking, I'm going to virtually slap you.

because writting out this answer over the last 10 years leads to confusion and 20 more questions. questions I built into the video which seems to be easier to understand.

(December 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: So I watched your video, and you've answered none of my questions in the video. All you've done in the video is say that chapter 2 is "a second narrative" or "a separate narrative" and how there's "no timeline" between chapters 2 and 3... Okay? So what? You've not provided answers to anything I asked you in my above post.

Also, some tips for public speaking, from an accomplished public speaker:

-Know what you want to say before you say it. This doesn't require a script, but you should maybe consider a script. I'd prefer to hear someone who sounds a bit more "artificial," making clear, concise points in an orderly fashion than to hear you bumble and stumble over your words for twelve minutes and "sound authentic" because you couldn't be bothered to stick to a script.

-Outline your main points, then support those main points with minor points that help explain and wrap up what you're trying to say.

-Speak clearly. You were sort of mumbling a lot of the time and it was hard to understand what you were saying or where you were trying to go with your ideas.

-Have some emotion in your voice. When you're speaking for any amount of time and want to keep peoples attention, it's advisable to not speak in some droning, monotone voice that makes it sound like you're reciting a grocery list.

Just some constructive criticism. Outside of that, you've not answered the questions I asked, like you promised the video would, and I want my money back.

*virtually slaps Drich

if you need me to further connect the dots for you please relist your questions.

(December 11, 2019 at 12:37 am)Athene Wrote: Your voice and delivery is perfect for ASMR/sleep content.

Got any longer videos?

there is the one with your mom..
Hilarious

(December 11, 2019 at 2:10 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Genesis Earth came to exist before the sun.  It was a water world with the spirit of god hovering over it.  Then came the sun, dividing day and night.  Whether it's evolution or cosmology, any attempt to resolve Genesis with science comes to a halt in the first four verses.

Either you have faith or you don't.  Why the need to show how matters of faith fit with science?

asked and answered in the video

I explain how scripturally the sun came first 

scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.
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Messages In This Thread
Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by tackattack - December 6, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 1:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 1:36 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by AFTT47 - December 7, 2019 at 2:25 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Jehanne - December 7, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Fake Messiah - December 6, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Fake Messiah - December 6, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 6, 2019 at 4:43 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 9, 2019 at 11:35 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 9, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 6:48 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Gwaithmir - December 10, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 9:31 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 4:19 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 11, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Simon Moon - December 10, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 20, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Deesse23 - December 12, 2019 at 3:19 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Mister Agenda - December 6, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 6, 2019 at 6:13 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Jehanne - December 6, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 6, 2019 at 9:35 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2019 at 10:27 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by EgoDeath - December 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Athene - December 11, 2019 at 12:37 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Ranjr - December 11, 2019 at 2:10 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by GUBU - December 11, 2019 at 4:25 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 20, 2019 at 6:59 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 23, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 23, 2019 at 1:12 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 26, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2019 at 5:11 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 27, 2019 at 10:43 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 29, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 30, 2019 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 30, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 6, 2020 at 10:40 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Nay_Sayer - December 26, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by downbeatplumb - December 27, 2019 at 5:49 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - December 27, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - December 30, 2019 at 4:23 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 3, 2020 at 10:56 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 27, 2019 at 5:27 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 30, 2019 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Architect Of Fate - December 30, 2019 at 4:40 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2020 at 11:45 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2020 at 10:54 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 13, 2020 at 4:26 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Mister Agenda - January 14, 2020 at 9:56 am
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Drich - January 15, 2020 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evolution/creation video - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 15, 2020 at 4:04 pm

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