Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?

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It is quite alot, yes.  I notice this as well....and fear is definitely at play.  Like I said, we have alot in common.

And your reasons for believing these countries exist are..........?

No comments on which of us believes in "pure sources", then? We found another, the rule of stakes.  Do you apply this to the christian god-man and the reliability of their magic book?  No, ofc not.  Another point of agreement.

I don't believe in any pure source, I already conceded methodologies of narrating hadiths only yield confidence, not certainty. This also includes the greater issues like the existence of god, I believe the affirmative answer is more likely/more reasonable than its counterpart. Any individual is only asked to follow reasonable conclusions, one can't be certain about anything.. anyway

Now it's time for you to reveal the pure source by which you know other countries do exist, without traveling to them.

You very explicitly and repeatedly did.  This is a pointless lie.  You were wrong, that's all.  What is it that you want people to understand about islam by reference to your comments?

I suggest you retract these accusations. I said repeatedly I'm defending the reliability of hadiths, not the truth of their contents. Also, I am not here as a substitute of the hundreds of the references you find about these subjects, it's more and more clear to me, though, that you didn't do as much research as you were supposed to... back in the day when you decided that all religions are pure fabrications..

The same standards that would convince you of the christian god-man, as I said.

You don't need to know anything about me, you only need know yourself.  Do you know yourself..?  If you choose some standard, and it doesn't convince you of christ...does it really convince you of the moongod's magic book?  I'd say no.  I'd say that this is an artifact of your lack of practice or self reflection - particularly in the context of discussing what you have never questioned with a person like myself.

Let's repeat that again: there is no possible comparison between the christian and the islamic case. When you say "convince you of christ"... convince me of what... exactly? that christ existed..? that the gospels are reliable whereas even christians don't think so....? that I should stop considering the synoptic problem.. a problem, when they themselves don't? If they insist that their books are a colossal mess, why should I insist otherwise..?

The standards I cited before are to establish that the texts we have about Muhammad can be trustworthy. Again, this doesn't say anything about Muhammad's claims, it's an entirely separate issue. Also, you didn't address one point mentioned above, the simplest fact about Muhammad is that he's more recent than Jesus, shouldn't that weigh in favor of the reliability -not truth, once again- of hadiths, you think?

-We don't have to argue all the time, how often do I implore you to proceed as though every jot and tittle is true?  The real miracle of magic book, if magic book was miraculous in any way...would be that even though all the same forces are at play, and the product looks exactly as we'd suspect if those forces were in effect..it isn't.  It's the straight dope from the author of the universe.  You see these issues as plainly as I do, when the context is some other magic book. 

You have one problem, there is no other "magic book" than the Qur'an. Are you really just going to ignore the universal fact that Jesus' sayings are gone forever... according to Jesus's followers...? Bible would've been a competing magic book if there is at least the claim that it's the words of Jesus. The same forces in play... are you kidding? Muslims scholars investigating how reliable is some chain that ENDS with Muhammad.. Christian scholars playing combinatorics with the four gospels, Q source long gone..? And you think there is some other magic book to take into consideration..?
There aren't even that many claims in Abrahmic religions. Christians admit their fuckups, Jews don't like outsiders to begin with, what else should we be looking for...??

The NT's definition, for example, according to miss Wiki, discusses the teachings and person of Jesus, discusses, read that again, discusses, not reports.

And once again, the issues with christianity are entirely different, meeting in councils to revise core beliefs.... what the actual fuck? This never happened in Islam. Minor Islamic sects disagree about fine theological details of god, not whether he is one or three people, or whether some prophet is himself god, or whether we should make Muhammad an eternal necessary being...