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Do Chairs Exist?
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RE: Do Chairs Exist?
(September 17, 2021 at 11:19 am)Angrboda Wrote:  Mereological nihilism is the position that there are no parts and wholes in the world, that identifying something as a part and something else as a whole is just an arbitrary convention that we adopt which has no basis in the features of reality.

IMO mereological is refuted if there is at least one self-evident example of a whole. And there is: the Totality. And there is, for me anyway, a self-evident example of a part: me. You have to decide for yourself if you are a Self who is in relationship with some external other and therefore a part within the Totality.

Anyways....

The Vsauce video kinda reveals the problem with elevating two types of cause (material and efficient*) fundamental and dismissing two other types of causes (final and formal) as properties contingent on matter and its operations. In classical philosophy, this was a mistake. Perhaps it is the other way around. Perhaps matter and its operations are properties that supervene on a fundamental reality of forms and purposes. After all, just before the 20th Century, idealism was the reigning metaphysics. For an intellectual of the Industrial Revolution it was, like, philosophically obvious, man. So when Vsauce, unfolded the paper and said, "where'd the swan go?" I was kinda like, so you removed the formal cause, that doesn't mean the swan ceased to exist in every sense...it just ceased having material properties.


*I cringe to write this because the Scholastics' concept of efficient cause different from Decartes and everyone after him.
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Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 15, 2021 at 12:26 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 15, 2021 at 12:56 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 15, 2021 at 1:00 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 15, 2021 at 1:05 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 15, 2021 at 1:20 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 15, 2021 at 1:29 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 15, 2021 at 2:18 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2021 at 4:13 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Deesse23 - September 15, 2021 at 8:25 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by brewer - September 15, 2021 at 11:09 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 15, 2021 at 11:17 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by brewer - September 15, 2021 at 11:20 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 16, 2021 at 8:08 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 16, 2021 at 8:11 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 16, 2021 at 8:23 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 17, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 20, 2021 at 8:39 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 21, 2021 at 9:42 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 23, 2021 at 12:40 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 3:50 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 5:12 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 5:24 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 5:28 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 5:44 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 6:27 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 6:44 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 7:02 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by DLJ - September 23, 2021 at 8:47 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 23, 2021 at 9:06 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by DLJ - September 24, 2021 at 6:26 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 25, 2021 at 4:28 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by DLJ - September 25, 2021 at 5:15 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 25, 2021 at 7:53 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2021 at 10:55 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 17, 2021 at 11:19 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2021 at 11:50 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 17, 2021 at 11:52 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2021 at 11:54 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 20, 2021 at 8:58 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 17, 2021 at 3:21 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 16, 2021 at 6:55 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by brewer - September 16, 2021 at 9:41 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2021 at 11:22 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 16, 2021 at 7:10 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2021 at 7:26 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 16, 2021 at 7:27 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 16, 2021 at 7:14 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 16, 2021 at 7:39 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Ranjr - September 16, 2021 at 8:00 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 16, 2021 at 8:33 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 16, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 16, 2021 at 8:54 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Ranjr - September 16, 2021 at 9:08 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 16, 2021 at 9:42 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by brewer - September 17, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 17, 2021 at 8:16 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Ranjr - September 17, 2021 at 10:21 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 17, 2021 at 11:59 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 17, 2021 at 2:47 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2021 at 3:12 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by arewethereyet - September 17, 2021 at 3:38 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by purplepurpose - September 17, 2021 at 12:25 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 17, 2021 at 3:24 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2021 at 3:59 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Ranjr - September 17, 2021 at 6:53 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - September 17, 2021 at 9:43 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Jehanne - September 20, 2021 at 8:52 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 21, 2021 at 10:41 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 23, 2021 at 5:14 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 5:23 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 23, 2021 at 5:35 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 5:43 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 23, 2021 at 5:57 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2021 at 7:13 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 23, 2021 at 5:54 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Brian37 - September 23, 2021 at 6:20 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2021 at 11:46 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by UniverseCaptain - September 23, 2021 at 7:21 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 23, 2021 at 7:28 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 23, 2021 at 9:44 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 23, 2021 at 11:29 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 23, 2021 at 11:58 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2021 at 12:01 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 24, 2021 at 12:20 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2021 at 12:55 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by Foxaèr - September 24, 2021 at 12:56 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by The Grand Nudger - September 26, 2021 at 4:07 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 26, 2021 at 5:40 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 26, 2021 at 6:21 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2021 at 10:20 am
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 27, 2021 at 3:59 pm
RE: Do Chairs Exist? - by vulcanlogician - September 29, 2021 at 11:41 am

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