Epicurean Paradox

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Circular argument of the day award.

Also I would like to point out that Drich is arguing for something much more disturbing than it appears at face value, as he has done in other threads. He is arguing for a crusades type morality in which the supposed "will of god" is the only standard by which actions are judged. One is compelled to follow the will of god as the ONLY moral precept. There is literally no moral in this conception only obedience to god's will.

He has expressly stated that genocide, slavery, and the like are perfectly acceptable under the guise of divine command.

This is a dangerous kind of fundamentalism. One I doubt very much that even he believes and puts into action.

One could also point out that you are arguing for the type of "Morality" that put Hitler in power, and justified whatever steps it was necessary to resurrect germany from poverty and despair. For every single act was purposed for, and the preservation of the Fatherland, it's people and culture. (outlined in Mien kaumph) Thus sealing the fate and mindset of an entire country to follow a mad man where ever He decided to go. Hitler knew the power of controlling "morality" something you don't even seem to be aware of, and what is worse are willing to freely give to the popular culture you are apart of. (Those who do not know History are doomed to repeat it.)

Just FYI the travesties committed in the dark ages of the Church were not a call from God as you have misrepresented. for the same verses we have now existed then. Nothing in the word of God supported the actions of the Church. Their actions like the members of 1930 and 40's Germany, like your actions today was/is an appeal to general morality and preservation of culture and Way of life. Which is Exactly what you are doing here now.. Or do you want to talk about the sins of the gay community to confirm? (which would have you defend the ever changing popular morality, the same type of ever changing morality that Evil men seek to control.) Once in control they can bend and change morality at will simply by directing the culture to choose the lessor of two evils. As the sliding scale degrades so goes your moral High horse. What you will have left will be a pile of excuses as to the reasons you have let your moral values slip.

This pattern repeats itself over and over and over and over again. It's like every generation has to learn this lesson to one degree or another. Every couple of generations to a devastating degree.

So Yes I do believe in Absolutes, like the absolute standard offered by the Expressed will of God.

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I'm pretty sure I just explained that Epicuras denies (not affirms, denies) the consequent....I'm not sure why you feel the need to repeat yourself? Argumentum ad naseum ring a bell?

@Perhaps- Being able and willing does not "neccesitate action", but that's hardly a criticism of the argument, since that's precisely what the argument asks us, if able and willing, why is there no action (and before, again, free will is offered...the free will defense removes the "able"-omnipotence- bit)?

So do you now want to look up some verses with me? I will give you a link for book chapter and verses, you read them and tell me what you see. then we can walk through what is happening together.

Let's start in the beginning. Gen 3:1-13 this lays the foundation for the most basic understanding of sin.

Read these 13 verses and tell me what you see.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV

No Drich the mistake was in the BELIEF that the only good was gods will and that they understood what that will was. It is a supremely dangerous mechanism operating today in the mind of abortion clinic bombers and in the Islamic theocracy that perpetrates the majority of atrocities against women for instance. The same mistake you are perpetrating. "God wills it" was the battle cry of the Crusades.

Don't even try that weak Hitler card. Hitler stated "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Same brand of fundamentalist thinking based on bogus eugenics. Also you will notice I did not argue FOR anything only against that same divine command "we are justified in anything" line you have been selling.