(January 10, 2016 at 8:09 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:(January 10, 2016 at 6:46 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
They aren't miracles. As many people have pointed out, the same results have been found in the Bible, the Talmud, the Bhagavad-Gita, the book of the Tao, the works of Confucious, etc. It's a silly numbers game, attaching various numbers to letters, switching them around until you find something of interest, hunting for interesting matches, grasping at straws. Nothing that comes out of a book is going to provide any proof of the divine. You can pick up a newspaper and get the same results. You've been conned by a bunch of folks playing a kid's number-code game.
Not only are we aware that numerology is total crap, but previous posts have pointed out the errors in your list. You must have missed those too.
Another poster noted that if the "coincidences" had just simply been there in the text for everyone to read - - scientific proofs, historical events, the lengths of solar system days and rotations, etc., THEN you might have something to discuss. A book that actually predicted the future, in plain language, without need for any hidden messages requiring super-special-secret-spy decoder rings that you got out of a popcorn box - now that might actually be proof.
That's just the point. This book(The Qur'an)does prove these things. Math and science are the same all over the universe. I don't care how u look at it 1+1=2. So no matter what country you're from or what race or religion u are or what language u speak or what corner of the Earth u live on, it's always going to be the same. Now as I said b4 we'll leave the mathematical miracles out because as u say it's a so called "Numbers game". As for linguistics. The chapters of the Qur'an have a rhyming sense to them, in the Arabic language, in a scripture revealed during a time when society was huge on poetry. The Qur'an was sent to mankind in the 7th century but for the rest of mankind's existence on Earth. If u think about how much poetry plays a part in our lives today. Poetry is a huge part of our lifestyles to this day. Things as common as the music we listen to contain poetry which is the same lifestyle that existed over 1400 years b4 the Qur'an's first being revealed. This showing that all of the rest of mankind, however many years we last, the Qur'an will apply to our lifestyles. Now as for the scientific and astronomical aspect. These miracles were placed in a scripture by God Himself in the 7th century when telescopes, microscopes, x-rays, space shuttles, computers and all kinds of other technology that are with us today did not yet exist. So who else could have known these SCIENTIFIC AND ASTRONOMICAL FACTS about our planet and our universe besides God Himself, especially in the 7th century, a time period where humans thought the Earth was flat, and the mountains held up the skies? Another question is how many of these scientific, what I call miracles, do you have to witness b4 u stop saying they are just coincidences? How many coincidences can there be? After all things come together, all the so called "coincidences" prove to be a divine plan, where if u don't believe in iit, there are tons of ways that exist today, to verify the information. I'd also like to know what single human being that lived in the 7th century knew of any other planet in our solar system. It's name, and one of the satellites(moons)that orbits it, knowing it's name too, then mentions them both in a 7th century scripture in the same chapter, named "sand dunes", which our technology today has enabled us to see that this specific planet(Mars)is covered with sand dunes, and was was not theorized and named until the 16th century. Also what human in the 7th century knew of a planet that takes 243 Earth days to revolve around the sun while it rotates on its own axis at a 177 degree angle and names the planet(Venus)in a scripture with Arabic letters in 3 verses, 2 exactly 243 verses apart, and the third in 17:7 which is the exact angle on which the planet rotates? Also what human could've known that the universe was expanding in the 7th century, and has been since, and still is today? So what being besides God Almighty, The Creator of the heavens and the Earth, could have known these scientific facts which again have been verified by our technology today? This is why God challenges any and every human being who thinks they can prevail, to come up with just 1 single chapter like that of the Qur'an. Not only does it rhyme, and give a significant message, but each and every single letter corresponds to every other letter in that chapter as well and also can give scientific and astronomical information. IT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED. The challenge still stands and has never been and never will be defeated. God has said this Himself. He will not allow it to happen, by doing He shows that no human, no matter how intelligent, could ever produce an entire scripture, let alone a single chapter, like that of the Qur'an. This showing it could only be produced by God Almighty Himself.
