RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 14, 2012 at 10:24 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2012 at 10:55 pm by spockrates.)
(August 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm)Tobie Wrote: So you can stop restricting your life to fulfill the wishes of a probably fictional character? So you aren't tied to the bigotry inherent with it?
Not sure what you mean by bigotry. Will you give an example?
(August 14, 2012 at 4:01 pm)Ben Davis Wrote:(August 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm)spockrates Wrote: What are they? Reason for asking: I've been told by thoughtful atheists that looking for logical contradictions in Christian beliefs, or within the pages of the Bible is a waste of time. The explanation given is that there are much better reasons to give up on being Christian. I'm just wondering what the better reasons are so I can try them on and see how they fit.
How about the main one: there is no evidence to support the proposition that the Abrahamic God exists.
...or the follow-up: all reputable, valid studies of claims which support the proposition that the Abrahamic God exists have falsified the proposition.
...or the follow-up to that: all reputable, valid studies of claims that any supernatural proposition exists have falsified those propositions.
If the Abrahamic God existed, how should he demonstrate his existence?
(August 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm)FemmeReasonAndLogic Wrote: I quit observing christianity because I had a ton of questions (How could a being create itself? was my favorite) and never got a rational answer. I could never find a way that the concept of God could be possible in any way.
Wouldn't the one who created all from nothing have to be self-existent?
(August 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I'm in it for the unrepentant sin, or so I'm told.
I like your frank answer!
(August 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm)cato123 Wrote: Pascal's wager again? Ugh.
And I thought my old agnostic philosophy teacher came up with that one on his own! That old trickster fooled me (but I suppose that's not too difficult to do).
(August 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm)LastPoet Wrote: What if Allah is the one true god? You'd be burning in hell with us atheists. Were's your rehash of that old dumbfuckery now?
I've read an English translation of the Koran. I didn't see any evidence that it was divine, rather than human in origin.
(August 14, 2012 at 5:56 pm)Chuck Wrote: [*]God exists, I don't give a hoot about God - I lose after I die
- Unknow. Maybe god can't stand believers and sends them all to hell, so you could just as easily win by not giving a hoot about a god who doesn't wish to receive any unwanted hoots.
[*]God exists, I do give a hoot about God - I win after I die
- See above. You could lose worse by believing the wrong god, or you could lose by believing the right god but are wrong about his opinion of your hoot
[*]God does not exist, I don't give a hoot about God - I break even after I die
- No, I win right now, since it free me of spurious constraints and maximizes my ability to optimize my live within real constraints.
[*]God does not exist, I give a hoot about God - I break even after I die
- No, you lose right now. You waste the only life you will ever have being slave to the diseased imagination of desert goat fuckers.
Yes, I agree. No God, no reason for living for anyone else, or for anything else but the present.
(August 14, 2012 at 6:02 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Oh, yay! Another Pascal's Wager thread!
:barf:
Sorry, I'll try to change the subject. I guess for me, personally it's logical to look beyond life, if there is a chance something is after life. Do you have evidence I should consider that nothing is after life?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
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