An argument from basis.

[Darkstar]

Yeah it's true I've presupposed and intuited it to be true and such has been since a child till now. I have not and never will doubt the existence of objective morality, greatness, and honour. It's been a properly basic knowledge since a child till now. It's rooted without explanation and is something I always took for granted.

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it still make noise? Yes, sound is a form of energy, it can be measured and determined to exist with certainty. We do not define sound, unless we were all deaf (and even then...) we would have to acknowledge that sound existed outside of our perception. However, honor and morality are different.

First of all, honor can be anything from chivalry to suicide at defeat. Morality would be a better term to use. However, seeing how honor is considerably more subjective than morality, it is very easy to see it as little more than an abstract concept. Morality, on the other hand, is naturally inborn. Even some bacteria have been shown to have certain altruistic behaviors. The formation of society has allowed more advanced morals to arise than what are available to other animals.

On a side note, I hope you aren't referring to god as the ultimate example of honor. The god of the bible is a fiend, and even a generic god is not necessarily moral.

However, it's only when I grew up, that I began to realize, that there is a link between this knowledge and knowledge of God, and they are essentially connected.

This link is imaginary, Morals existed before religion. Why would god give altrusim to bacteria?
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/20...teria.html
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/0...ia-sacrif/