Do I sin because of Adam?

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Do I sin because of Adam?

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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?

April 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm

(April 3, 2013 at 4:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Really?? I find it a central tenat of all major religions: that humans are flawed.

1. Yeah, that's the meaning I get out of it.

2. If I play the "god made us that way" card, will you play the "the perfect product deliberately broke itself" card? Would it help to note that god purposely allowed the devil himself to influence those who did not know right from wrong? (How would "perfect" be defined here? Is it simply the absence of sin?) Sorry if this turns out to be a strawman, but I've seen the argument take this turn many times before.

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Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:32 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:51 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:17 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Foxaèr - April 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:37 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Minimalist - April 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:37 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 7:42 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:57 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 12:34 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2013 at 12:39 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 1:05 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by FallentoReason - April 3, 2013 at 3:01 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 3:59 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:24 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:29 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:41 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:48 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 12:21 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2013 at 12:31 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 12:44 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 4:59 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 5:50 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 5:59 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 11:32 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:46 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 7:02 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 4, 2013 at 11:44 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 4, 2013 at 12:07 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Tonus - April 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 5, 2013 at 3:36 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 3:38 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:25 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 4:38 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 11:02 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 11:19 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 3:32 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:23 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Drich - April 3, 2013 at 9:16 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:35 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 5, 2013 at 5:44 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Foxaèr - April 5, 2013 at 5:47 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 5, 2013 at 6:19 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 5, 2013 at 6:00 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 9:56 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 6:12 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 6:57 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 4, 2013 at 11:39 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 5:31 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Ryantology - April 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 10:30 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 5:57 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 7:13 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:28 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 3, 2013 at 8:58 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:03 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 11:08 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 8:24 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 8:58 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:14 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:12 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 11:34 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 12:01 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Undeceived - April 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:29 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 5, 2013 at 4:49 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Foxaèr - April 6, 2013 at 3:34 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:15 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 6, 2013 at 10:38 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 2:05 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2013 at 6:22 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 2:27 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 8, 2013 at 5:21 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Esquilax - April 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 12:44 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 2:59 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 4:08 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by ThomM - April 9, 2013 at 7:32 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MORETORQUE - April 10, 2013 at 8:10 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 10, 2013 at 8:16 pm

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MORETORQUE - April 11, 2013 at 7:40 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 10:40 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:31 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:34 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:38 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:48 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:54 am

RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:56 am

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