RE: Meliorism - The rise of neo-atheism and the fall of reason
April 11, 2013 at 10:02 am
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2013 at 10:03 am by ManMachine.)
(April 11, 2013 at 9:24 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: I should call James Randi and demand that million dollar prize for every time I know 'psychically' that someone is going to use nukes or nazis in a thread.
You are confusing 'subjective' progress with 'objective' progress. Certainly, the bomb was a progression in our abilities in warfare. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant to that fact.
As for your OP, it sounded like a bunch of empty words complaining about atheism based on comments found on Youtube - little else.
I did say it was a crass example, I deserve some credit for recognising the kind of statement I was making. In retrospect it was probably not a good way into my point. We live and learn.
You seem to assume that I have feelings towards wether or not something is subjective or objective progress, I can assure you, I don't, but I am interested in the fact you think I am confusing subjective and objective progress (whatever they are?). Can you demonstrate why you think I am because I don't see it.
I see you seem to have adopted the idea of greater killing yield per bomb as progress of our abilities in warfare. I fully accept warfare has changed but change is not progress, what have progressed against?
I definitely mentioned teleology in my OP, check and see. My prose was a little colourful but that was deliberate on my part, flowers and bees and all that.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
