Re: RE: Meliorism - The rise of neo-atheism and the fall of reason
April 17, 2013 at 6:49 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 6:50 pm by frz.)
(April 17, 2013 at 6:15 pm)ManMachine Wrote:(April 17, 2013 at 4:36 pm)cato123 Wrote: I have read your replies. You appear to be arguing with yourself because of your desire to shove the idea of a universal final cause into your definition of progress, to only then deny the existence of progress because of the inclusion of the idea of a final cause.
Pure sophistry demonstrated by the fact that you vehemently deny that the human species has progressed since the time of the Visigoths.
Your accusation of sophistry is disingenuous.
What I said is the most we can say is that things have changed. While I know well enough about my own time I do not have enough information about being a Visigoth to make any kind of call on that, neither do you.
Without reference to some agent's action and to a definite goal the notion of human progress is empty and void of any meaning. There is unquestioningly a teleological thought atructure behind this, how else do you justify the notion of human progress if there is no final cause in nature, I'm guessing you do not invoke a god as agent, perhaps the man in the moon?
MM
(April 17, 2013 at 5:49 pm)frz Wrote: I agree.
So, to justify the dissonance you are experiencing you simply reject my assertion I am an atheist. That would be funny if it wasn't so unbelieveably ignorant.
You lot are worse than Christians.
MM
Oh come on, read your own words in this very same quote on your reply to cat123. What cause and meaning to life are you looking for and why do we need to invoke something, agent as you say to give us cause. And what kinda atheist call the other members, "these atheists or you atheists? Sounds like someone is not part of said group. If you were trying to be a mole, though I don't see the point, or you failed miserably.