(May 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Esquilax
Quote:The atheist position, such as it is, is one of disbelief regarding religious claims, and an acceptance that, as of this time, we do not know how the universe began. The sole reason for this is that theists haven't properly shouldered their burden of proof; there is no implicit denial of a conscious creator in that. Only a lack of acceptance.
Somehow, I don't think you speak for all atheists.
That's true, and if you look, I even mentioned that in my initial post.
Quote: Theism is a belief, an opinion to the questions Why are we here? How did the universe come into existence? Why is there something rather than nothing? Whether the case I made for theism persuades atheists or not, I have shouldered the burden of evidence by providing 5 lines of facts (evidence) that support theism. My case and reasonings don't have to persuade atheists in order to be valid.
Such a pity that you pay no attention to the thorough debunking we gave all of your evidence. But then, ignoring what's happening doesn't make your evidence true. It just makes you ignorant.
Quote:The majority of lets say vocal atheists don't share your tepid and vacuous definition of atheism. They do in fact deny the existence of a Creator and are confident that our existence and that of the universe is the result of mindless forces that didn't intend our existence.
Somehow, I don't think you speak for all atheists.
Quote:They promote that thinking in the market place of ideas and many atheists openly mock and ridcule belief in God as being on par with belief in Fairies and Santa Clause and invisible pink elephants. Do you merely lack acceptance of belief in the aforementioned?
Yes. Why would I need to actively disbelieve concepts that have no evidence to justify belief? Why take a position on a proposition that has no weight?
You know, it's funny; do you know what you'd call my position in any other situation? Keeping an open mind. But because this is a question of your pet god, you just can't take it; everyone just has to have a position because it's important to you, and if we don't agree with you, then we must disagree. It's this same "us and them," mentality that all religions cultivate.
Quote:If in fact what atheists believe is true is true, then some other non-God explanation for our existence and that of the universe would have to be true. You reject the explanation an intelligent creator caused and designed the universe for the purpose of human life. Do you equally reject the explanation that mindless forces without plan or intent caused the universe to exist and that human life is the accidental by product of the laws of physics? In short...are you an A-naturalist? That would mean you lack belief that our existence is the result of mindless forces as well as the result of a Creator.
Are you seriously that dense that you don't understand that "I don't know," is not any position on a proposition?
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