(May 19, 2013 at 5:52 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: I'd have to go into an induced coma to achieve intellectual parity with you...
Do us all a favor and try it. It can only be an improvement over the present state of affairs.
Quote:They couldn't examine the contents of my pocket? You have been listening to your fellow atheists too much.
We'll look, and there will be no purple unicorn, and then you'll tell us it really is there but we're just pretending it's not. Or, that you can only see purple unicorns if you have faith that they exist. And, you'll still tell everybody you have a purple unicorn in your pocket. We all know how apologetics works.
Quote:Texas Sailor...its not the same. Both theists and atheists agree that the universe exists, life exists and sentient life exists. Most people (including atheists) don't believe these things popped into existence uncaused out of nothing although some atheists promote that idea. Most believe something caused it to occur. Since most atheists don't believe a personal agent, Creator or God was involved they believe it was some mechanistic unguided unplanned result of mindless forces that didn't intend to create a universe, life or sentient life. Even though this is the unavoidable logical conclusion one would arrive at if they don't believe in a Creator... you won't find any atheists to make thier case or provide evidence that supports this conclusion. They just go into their weak atheist song and dance that atheism is just a lack of belief in God.
You won't find atheists assuming a claim is true before the evidence confirms it, because that's the sort of dishonest shit people like you do.
Considering that every single possible instance, thus far, of examining the natural world that has actually delivered real results, has demonstrated the work of mindless natural forces at work, with absolutely zero evidence of these forces being guided by any superintelligence, it is only logical to extrapolate this real knowledge to the conclusion that the naturalist explanation is, if not confirmed, without any rational question the superior explanation to all others.
Quote:Let me shake your hand...at least your attempting to make a case for what you believe which is more than your fellow coward atheists are willing to do. No one disputes this physical material world exists and that with a rigid set of laws of nature, it causes many things such as planets, solar systems, stars and galaxies. That doesn't explain why there is something rather than nothing and why if something does exist such as a universe, why it has laws of nature that cause all the conditions for life and sentient life to exist.
Appealing to a creator doesn't explain why anything exists.
Quote:You're mistaken about the notion God can't be disproven. We're the mythological gods such as the god of rain, fire and earthquakes disproven? Yes because a better competing explanation with more evidence was found for it. If the same occurs for the existence of the universe most people would eventually reject belief in God.
There have been so many other things attributed to God that we now understand to be entirely natural processes. We know how the sun, Earth, and moon formed. We know that thunder is electrical discharge, not the wrath of God. We know how the weather works. We know what causes earthquakes, tsunamis, tornadoes, auroras. We know what is really happening when we see meteor showers, comets, and eclipses, and it's not God giving people mystical signs. We know that plagues are caused by virulent microbes, not a pissed off sky daddy. Really, the creation of the universe is the last gap in which you can cram your tiny, petty God, but science will certainly evict him even from there, given enough time. When science and God face off, science has won 100% of the time. Why should that change at the ultimate finish line?
How many people believe in God specifically because they believe God created the universe? Even when science does discover the natural forces responsible for the existence of the universe, there will be plenty who won't stop believin' because not everybody has the courage and fortitude to toss away a crutch like that. They'll just move the goalposts, as they have ever since science started conquering Christendom.