The Case for Atheism

[Whateverist]

Not believing your claim isn't the same thing as believing the opposite of it. Noting your belief isn't justified by reason and evidence doesn't mean you're not right, it just means that if you are right, it's only by coincidence

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Only in the world of atheism does not believing a light is on does not mean they believe the light is off. Its this kind of contorted logic that exemplifies atheism. You realize that to be an atheist you have to opine my belief in theism isn't justified by reason and evidence. You could hardly say it is justified but remain an atheist.

If I have no way of knowing whether the light is on or not, then the mere fact that I have no reason to believe the light is on gives me no reason to think it is off. I'm simply in no position to know.

In the case of gods, the situation is much worse. At least with a light, I understand what that is and what it means for it to be off or on. With gods I find very little agreement as to what counts as a god. I know how to tell if the light is on (if I have access to the space in question). I have no idea how to tell whether gods exist.

If the light is on, visibility will be much greater at night or when the ambient light is insufficient for creatures such as ourselves. If gods exist .. what? Damned if I know. And what ever you may say on the subject does not constrain the next theist joker from changing the definition.

The situation with gods is what the situation concerning whether the light is on would be like for someone blind from birth. Get it?

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About a month ago, I started a thread called The Case for Theism. In it I made a case based on 5 indisputable facts that I argued favor theism defined simply as the belief the Universe was intentionally caused by a Creator who intended for humans to exist as opposed to the atheist belief that there was no creator, the universe wasn't intentionally created or designed and subsequently human life wasn't intended to occur.

Regarding your original post, your description of the atheist position

atheist belief that there was no creator, the universe wasn't intentionally created or designed and subsequently human life wasn't intended to occur

doesn't describe my position at all.

I believe that the universe exists but do not know for sure how it began -if it did begin. From what science can tell us, much has changed over time. But none can tell us for sure what, if anything, there was before the big bang. Beyond that, all is speculation. Yours is fine. My own image is of a wider space of multiverses like a froth of bubbles, in which everything related to our big bang phenomenon is one of many chambers. My own inclination is to see it as natural transformations of what there is. If I was aware of any cases of gods creating stuff out of nothing, then I'd have to give more consideration to your theory. But in the absence of any evidence for supernatural creation, I'm just not inclined to give it much weight. But you go ahead and speculate as you please. Perhaps its just turtles all the way down.