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The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
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RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
(February 14, 2014 at 1:28 am)Darkstar Wrote: Couldn't they just be in stalemate, then?

How exactly are we defining omnipotence here anyway? Is it in a way that avoids that "can god create a rock he can't lift?" problem?
stalemate? how do you have a stalemate between existence and non-existence? it's one or the other, a unicorn can't neither exist or not exist. this means one of their wills have to be stronger, but since both are omnipotent neither can be stronger. this is the contradiction.

there are 2 aspects of omnipotence. an active aspect: the ability to do anything logically possible; and a descriptive aspect: cannot be vulnerable or overcome by anything. the descriptive aspect is what makes P3 correct. if God were made of matter, he would be vulnerable which contradicts his omnipotence so he can't be made of matter.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic - by Rational AKD - February 14, 2014 at 1:46 am

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