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The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
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RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
(February 14, 2014 at 2:22 am)Darkstar Wrote: They would both be annihilated, or so the theory goes. But when has there ever been either an unstoppable force or an immovable object? Could an omnipotent being create both, or is the notion of either one logically impossible? And if such infinites are impossible, then why is not the infinity of omnipotence impossible as well? What if a god did something so mundane as clap his hands? Would not one hand stop the other from moving when they collided? (Or is that last one a bit of a stretch?)
in essence, I would say God is both the unstoppable force and immovable object. both are descriptive of portions of the term omnipotence. but I don't think God could create such things since that would result in several contradictions. he is the only unstoppable force and immovable object there can be. what if God clapped his hands? I don't think he has hands, but if he did provide himself with some I would say he would use a limited amount of force to clap. if he did create hands, I don't think he could make them move such that they're unstoppable.

Quote:Assuming that any non-physical being at all is possible in the first place. How do you know it is even possible? No one has ever so much as detected a non-physical being, so we would not be expected to know anything about one.
there are several things that are non-physical that exist. one I can easily name is the color red. what is the color red? is it a range of frequency in the electromagnetic spectrum? or is it a stimulation of nerve cells in your retina? or is electrical signals sent between neurons in your brain? the answer is none of the above. the color red is a process of your mind. it is not material, it is a concept called qualia. immaterial things certainly exist.

Quote:Could you elaborate on this? I don't think I see why this must necessarily be the case.
if something exists but not because it is contingent upon an external factor, then the only other reason left as to why it exists is because of an internal factor. internal factors can't be contingent factors. as I said to DeistPaladin, A is A and A is necessarily A. God is God and God is necessarily God. so an internal factor must be a necessary one. so it is then an internal necessary factor for its existence which means it necessarily exists in and of itself.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic - by Rational AKD - February 14, 2014 at 2:52 am

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