RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
February 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm
(This post was last modified: February 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm by Darkstar.)
(February 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:You can't prove that they can't be non-physical. So long as it isn't self-contradictory, it is metaphysically possible. That is what he told me, anyway. I don't buy it.(February 14, 2014 at 12:55 am)Rational AKD Wrote: sure.
1. he is an omnipotent, omniscient, morally perfect immaterial mind.
Besides in these fallacious logical 'proofs', name one instance of a mind that exists absent a physical brain.
Please produce just one that actually manifests in reality.
(February 15, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: On a more general subject, does anyone know anyone that has ever been convinced that a god exists based purely on one of these logical proofs?Only someone who is a moron ignorant of religious apologetics would fall for something like this.
Were you an atheist until someone posited this argument to you? Or any of the other fallacious arguments (Teleological, Cosmological, the truly inane TAG argument, etc)?
Just curious...
wikipedia Wrote:Biologist Richard Dawkins, in his book The God Delusion, rejects the argument as "infantile". Noting that he is "a scientist rather than a philosopher", he writes: "The very idea that such grand conclusions should follow from such logomachist trickery offends me aesthetically." Also, he feels a "deep suspicion of any line of reasoning that reached such a significant conclusion without feeding in a single piece of data from the real world."I share Dawkins's sentiment here.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.