(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:I knew you'd like that idea.... and I knew it would be impractical, but some can make it work... at least, in fiction.(May 28, 2014 at 9:29 am)pocaracas Wrote: Giving them out to gypsies or keeping them in "the system" doesn't seem all that different, to me.
Why not just give them to the military, while we're at it?
My idea is that, if you can provide something better than "the system", then you should do that.
Your view is that only the optimum will do... and that just keeps kids in "the system" and would-be parents childless.
Wow, never thought of that. A special ops team, trained to be ruthless killers, not bound by social ties such as family...Their lot to serve their superiors and their nation. The elite of the elite...I heard that before. The Ghulam and Janissaries!
They didn't work out too well.
(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: So no, I think the kids are better off in families that fit the description of the norm, where they will be raised with expectations of grandchildren and marriage.I think so too, but the reality is that there are more kids than parents wanting to adopt.
This is the issue.
(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: This is important for the propagation of society, my friend.Society is taken care of by the large majority which you call normal.
These fringe cases we're discussing are not required for the propagation of society. In olden times, they may have ended up dead very quickly... nowadays, they go to orphanages of foster care, until a suitable family comes along or they reach majority, whichever comes first.
If there is a way to decrease the amount of people who reach the age of majority "in the system", while making their lives overall better, then why not take it?
(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: They will not be raised in a subculture of a sub-society, but will be full fledged members of contemporary society that are expected for propagate the family institution. This is what I'm saying.Had you watched the videos I posted earlier, you'd have realized that those children do tend to become such members of society.
(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: On the other hand, giving them off to gays will do the exact reverse. It creates confusion, and if you ask me, bears no alturistic connections, and is put forth by the same people that actually attack the concept of family and family values, unless it is practiced by gays.You have every right to think so, but you should be made aware that those children raised by gays tend to become normal members of society... actually, they probably tend to be more open-minded about non-standard individuals, leading to better acceptance of everyone... as opposed to your stance which attempts to shun those not deemed normal, hoping that they never existed in the first place.
It is not something that I can ever endorse.
(May 28, 2014 at 9:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: What should be done is to promote true answers to the question of orphans. Why do orphans exist?
A family tragedy. Both of the parents dead? The child should be given to the grandparents, or uncles and aunts. This is how its done here. Here, if both parents would suddenly die, the kids are not without relatives to help them. The family in a broader sense, takes care of its kin.
Another one would be to tackle the problem of children born out of wedlock. Many mothers who are afraid of their dirty secret coming out usually give off their children to orphanages or just leave them in a place to be found by other people.
Why not teach the people to have children in a safe and advantageous(both for mother and child) environment, the marital institution?
But no, today's society praises promiscuity above all else, while doing nothing to instill responsibility. This is why we have so many single-moms at the age of 18.
One must attack the root causes, by promoting family values and sexual morality.
Promote away. I agree those values should be promoted everywhere.... that's why we had tv shows like "family ties" or "the bill cosby show".
But reality delivers blows that are unexpected and undesired results happen all the time.
We are then left with the need to deal with them.
This is one case where we can improve the quality of life of a few human beings. You say we should wait until a male-female couple comes along, knowing full well that many of those kids will remain "in the system", regardless of how long we wait...