Creation/evolution3

[Drich]

I don't care if you personally have experienced "God", because I haven't.

That's the thing.. You can. I am nothing special. All I've done is take God up on his offer. That offer can be found in Luke 11. If you want to experience meet Him on His terms.

Let's take gravity on Earth as an example; I experience gravity all the time. I can test it, e.g. dropping something or simply not floating off the ground; others can test gravity as well. Can you apply the same to God? No, not everyone experiences "God" and they can "experience" different ones.

But, Gravity like God must be experienced on its own terms. If you were not exposed to the gravity of earth would gravity meet you on your terms? Or would you have to go where gravity is to experience it?

And I (insincerely) apologize that I didn't specify that the people mentioned were Christian (as opposed to when I said Catholic). I often accidently substitute one for the other.

Apology... Accepted captian needa.

Who are you to claim you know what God tends to think?

You too can know what God thinks as it is written down in the bible on a great number of different subjects. For those the parts where the bible is silent, God offers the Holy Spirit.

After eventually deciphering your ungrammatical post, I claim to the conclusion that you were trying to tell me that I did not do "XYZ" and you did, and that's why you're still Christian and I'm not.

indeed.

That's why I didn't find evidence, apparently.

Evidence is forged like steel is forged. Through fire and the anvil. When God placed you on the anvil and began to snap your understanding, you bailed and did not come back because the shape that was taking for was not consistant with what you thought God was.

It wasn't at *all* due to the fact that I actually questioned what people told me, and did my research. Once again, another baseless accusation. You are so full of hypocrisy, it's almost funny.

actuall what I have said here is exactly what happened. You all think you're all unique, but in truth you all (those who left the church) are all the same.
Your asking and 'evidence' Prooved to you that your version of God does not exist. Why? Because God did not support whatever expression of faith you had. But that is where you stopped. You concluded that because your out the gate version of God was proven wrong God could not exist in anyother way.

It may be that you personally find the Bible to be where you "Find God", but give me 5 minutes, and the Internet, and anyone can show you horrible parts of the Bible, which is filled with genocide, rape, oppression of minorities, etc.

so all genocide, rape, oppression is bad? What if I told you none of us would be here is not for these things? Our 'western' lifestyles have these things as a foundation.

A) I can't sincerely pray if I can't sincerely believe in what I'm praying to.

then at first don't. Just honestly seek, and see what comes up.

B) Are you trying to reconvert me? Seriously?

I am trying to provide you with accurate information so you can make a honest and informed desision... If you go back to God or if you don't you wouldn't be the first.

Drich, do you even look at the content of your own posts? You describe your own posts while trying to call mine lazy.

such as?
The above accusation is baseless meaning, you did not pride anything to support what you said. That makes this an ad hoc attack. Which is Another fallacy..

What you call red herrings is what others may call making a point.

you are free to make points so long as they have to do with the topic being discussed.
Otherwise making a point (off topic) is a red herring.

I never said it wasn't a movie. (The book is better, though.) So, are you saying God uses the "philosophy of breaking the will of an opponent to prevent him from coming back"? What happened to free will?

freewill is a greek philosophy and not actually found in the bible.

When people address points you make, that's not a red herring. The points you made, that I addressed, were off the OP.

follow the daisy chain back to its source. That is the red herring. For instance I did not start this thread talking about you or your faith. You introduced those things.

I'm not sure what you want me to repent from.

The simple fact is that your hypothesis is irrational, as it has no scientific evidence to prove it.

How do you know?[/quote]

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Scientific method: using evidence and reason.

Any other method: making shit up.

Everyone uses the scientific method in almost everything they do, all the time. If you didn't you wouldn't be able to open a door, walk in a straight line, work out how much money you have, catch the bus... Etc etc. Imagine using "faith" for any of those things. It's just they revert to these "other methods" when they really want something to be true but there is no good reason to believe it actually is true.

The other methods are more flexible, you can prove literally anything you want. With no effort. Sadly, the results are worthless.

Ok then take the Big Bang and show me the sets of the scientific method in it.

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Drich-
"What makes you think I am not a member of the empire?
The Only way to say their is no Empirical Evidence for God is to change the meaning of the word 'Empirical.' Because as it stands with merrium Webster it simply points to any evidence/data based in observation OR Experience. As I have said many times I have experienced God.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical"

Empirical evidence cannot be subjective, meaning if you are attempting to prove the truth of your claim with empirical evidence then the observations and experiences will be empirically true for anyone, Personal experience is not considered empirical evidence.

Source/reference for your defination?