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New Testament arguments
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RE: New Testament arguments
(March 22, 2015 at 1:15 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Wrong, hell was not created for humans, the Bible states clearly that hell was created for the "devil and his angels" and also that "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance"
If you don't want to go to hell, repent, it's that simple. You have to literally fight your way into hell.

If you refuse to take medicine for an illness, who fault is it when you die?

So when it's convenient for you to compare the situation to a birth defect where you explicitly say we have no choice, you do that. But when it's convenient to paint going to hell as an explicit choice that we're making, you do that too. Not very high on consistency, there. Rolleyes

But what you're saying is... hmm, well, it's bullshit, because if god truly was not willing that we should go to hell, he could stop it. That's in his power. He just doesn't.

In fact, he created hell, and discussing its original purpose is entirely a dodge when we know what he uses the damn thing for now. You're essentially saying that it's okay that a murderer stabs people with a knife, because he originally bought that knife to slice delicious ham!

Once again, hell is something that god keeps open by conscious choice, that he sends humans to by conscious choice, and that he has at all times, the power to stop this from happening. You can not compare this to an illness, and reasserting the same victim blaming nonsense does nothing but make it seem like you've failed to take even a simple point like that.

We have a "choice" not to go to hell in the same way that a mugging victim has a "choice" not to get shot by handing over his wallet. There's a hard way and an easy way in both cases, but don't pretend that either case is even remotely a fair or just choice, or that the mugger/god is not committing an immoral act by forcing this choice upon us.
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New Testament arguments - by urlawyer - March 21, 2015 at 10:19 pm
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