Ask a Catholic

[Randy Carson]

God is omnipotent. That's a. B is that there doesn't have to be a direct contradiction between free will and propensity towards sin. He could remove whatever instinct he put in us that makes us want to sin and not infringe on our free will in the slightest.

Isn't the tendency to sin invading our free will in the same way the lack of it would, only in the other direction?

God didn't put concupisence in us. It is a result of the fall. IOW, that came AFTER we were separated from God...not FROM God.

We are not a "failed" creation, but we are "fallen" in that mankind separated itself from God. The Church would say it this way:

A creation that is not meant to fall yet falls is a failure. Did you admit that god meant us to fall then? You cannot reconcile those two positions.[/quote]

Just because we are fallen, it does not follow that creation is a failure. That's just YOUR take. God's take is that He would send Jesus to enable us to be reconciled to God.

God knew what would happen, yet is angry nevertheless. Wait, doesn't he love us?

Sure. Let's say you have a son, a teenager, and you KNOW he's going to come home drunk from the prom (because he did it last year or whatever). You love him, but you are angry that he comes home drunk.

You're really a polytheist, Randy. You're worshiping several separate deities under the same name.

There is only one God.

First, you do know Gen 1-3 is not literally what happened, right? Just reminding you of what we both agree on.

However, Adam and Eve should have been able to reason that God's commandment regarding the fruit should not be disobeyed. He told them not to do it, and they did it anyway.

Here Randy. Don't click this link.

No worries. I didn't.

God knew what would happen. God knew his creation. God understood the concept of reverse psychology. After all, he designed all of it.

If he didn't want them to do it, he could have easily prevented them from it in thousands of different ways.

Dude, Gen 3 is allegory.

It wasn't MEANT to happen, but because of His foreknowledge of OUR choice, God knew that it would happen, and because of His love, He chose to create us anyway!

Did you really just say love?

He deliberately created us unable to follow his commandments, knowing full well we would not obey them and all chose to punish us for it.

If anything, he did it on a sadistic whim. Love doesn't enter picture.

There is no punishment if we accept God's solution to the predicament WE caused by OUR disobedience.

Disgusting. Nobody is born sick and nobody is wounded. That is, until the catholics get to them.

What a sick doctrine.

Look, you can either deny that you are a sinner, or you can admit that you need a savior. Denial doesn't solve your problem.

As the foregoing explanations show, God did not CREATE us sick and sinful, He created us perfectly. God saw all that He had created, and it was good. Sickness and sinfulness was the consequence of our choice to separate ourselves from God by choosing our will instead of His.

He knew we would do that. He created us to be prone to sin. He designed our psychology to work that way.

No, and this seems to be at the heart of your misunderstanding. God did NOT create us with the propensity to sin.

He could easily fix it any minute, Randy.

He did fix it. At the cross of Christ.

But now, we're down you to claiming that I'm lying, Catholic priests are lying...everyone is lying except those who have the guts to tell you that you are sinner in need of a savior.

Is our discussion over now? Or shall we continue with the other points you asked about?