What The Bible Really Teaches About Hell

[Daystar]

[quote='Daystar' pid='4718' dateline='1228143743']I haven't missed anything ... as such I cannot be a sinner.

You could have missed the mark . . . Speeding tickets, parking violations, late fees?

Sigh! I haven't missed anything religious ... as such I cannot be a sinner!

Kyu

I wasn't talking about religion. Fuck religion.

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Its apparently a sin to not believe in the God of the bible? Or the "worship other gods". Right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's true but not quite the point I am trying to get across to our friend Daystar ... I still, given that sins are by definition religious offences, maintain that it is impossible for an atheist to sin.

Kyu

I wasn't talking about religious offenses. I was trying to show you the practical meaning of the word sin so you could drop the religious bullshit.

Sin means to simply miss the mark set by anyone. Your boss, your son, secular law, you yourself.

You ... uh ... you fail on any diet ever?

If I say right here and now that I want you to respond to this within the hour and you agree to that but you don't respond within the hour you have sinned against me. It isn't a boogey man word. It isn't religious bullshit dropped from the English language like a hot potato - necessarily.

[ahem]

I would point out that if you were not here to agree to respond within the hour then it would not be a sin.

The problem you have is that you don't believe in God so you don't acknowledge the mark he has set directly, but nonetheless you sin.

You are a sinner. No matter how you look at it. It is interesting that most Atheists embrace that if not literally then metaphorically. They, uh, metaphorically thrust themselves in its general direction mockingly.

A somewhat distasteful but nevertheless amusing demonstration.

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There is a difference between crimes and "wrong doings", immoral actions. And sins. Sins are a religious thing. There are things considered a "sin" that aren't necessarily wrong at all. Or anything to do with morality.

The common definition of sin is - the twenty first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, which is sort of interesting in an ironic? way; an offense against God, religion or morals; and an offense against any law, code etc.

So once again, the common use of a 'religious' word, though somewhat distorted into being thought of as exclusively 'religious' by both Xian and not then surprisingly, Atheists, are in fact the same as the Bible's meaning.

In other words, because I think I screwed that up, sin isn't just religious bullshit anywhere outside of the minds of those who are religious. Xian and Atheist!

Its apparently a sin to not believe in the God of the bible? Or the "worship other gods". Right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Uh . . . well, what you have to understand is that the sin that we all inherit is about Adam. Adam was put in charge of earth, it was his responsibility, sort of like the owner of a property may hire a landlord. He messed it up by doing the one thing he shouldn't have (sinned, missed the mark, decided to judge for himself what was right or wrong) and so all of mankind after him were born into or sort of lived in the rundown place of the landlord.

The Atheist and sometimes Xian belief that God is this arrogant tyrant is sort of like the rebellious teenage son of the landlord who has to live in the mess his father created and blames the owner rather than the landlord because he don't see the whole picture.

So having said that, to answer your question - maybe. If you have had the opportunity to look into what is going on with the landlord and owner of the property and yet you chose not to (Belief in God) or you have looked into it and have sided with the landlord instead of the owner, when it comes time to clean house you can hardly blame the owner if you find yourself on your ass in the street.

Why? Because if the owner doesn't put you out you would make the same mistake and screw it up again.

But this is not immoral. Not a wrong doing. Not a crime. Its just a "sin". There's nothing wrong with not believing in a God that you do not believe in. That there is no evidence of whatsoever. To demand "belief" shows what kind of an immature sick God, "God" actually is if he really considers THAT important.

It isn't about what you think is right or wrong or how you interpret the evidence - even if you interpret it by saying it isn't there or valid according to the way you are accustomed to looking at evidence. It isn't even about a God who demands belief. Many who don't or haven't had the opportunity to form an opinion or belief will be resurrected.

The point is God created man to live forever and man will live forever. You in or are you out? If you make your decision now - even if it is based upon your own stubborn principles then you are out. No problem.

That is all it is about. Not about being 'good' and being 'bad' and which line you should stand in on recess. King David was beloved of God and he killed a man so he could have it off with his wife. Was that good? Or a product of sin?

mark 10:18 - Jesus said to him: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."