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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
(September 15, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:
(September 15, 2015 at 9:12 am)mh.brewer Wrote: So if your mind is a sim made from a god/other mind that is a sim, who made the god/other mind sim?

I didn't talk about the IV functioning properly (thanks for the tangent/it is functioning and the fluid is entering your vein. Your circulatory system is functioning and the fluid is being dispersed through your body). Please answer the question directly. "Because the contents/chemical make up of the IV depends on your minds perception (and this can only based on what you were told), do you recover no matter what is in the IV?"
I would say the mind that's simulating us and the world would be a necessary mind. the most fundamental aspect of reality.

I tried to be clear when I answered your scenario. like I said, material objects don't exist if they are not being observed by a conscious observer. but that doesn't mean when you find them you won't find they were performing certain functions. basically when you find objects, they appear a certain way and upload a back history as if they were performing a function or staying the same the entire time you were away. with the IV, it technically won't be functioning when no one is observing it. but when someone goes to observe it, it will appear as though it had been functioning properly the entire time even though it really wasn't. when it comes to macro functions, you pretty much have certainty in the predictability of how they will function. when you go to the quantum level, you can only predict the probabilities of the outcomes.
Nice non answer to who/what made the god/other simulation/mind. Where did the "necessary mind" come from? How did it come into being?

No direct answer again to the hypothetical, off on another tangent. Now your stating that it's not being observed so it doesn't exist. I think your last tangent was IV not functioning.

Lets try one last time. Add the following to the past hypothetical description: You are in the room, you are conscious and can see the IV. You are observing the IV fluid drip and can see it flow into your vein. You can feel your heart beating and know that your circulatory system is functioning and the fluid is being dispersed through your body. The question again, "Because the contents/chemical make up of the IV depends on your minds perception (and this can only based on what you were told), do you recover no matter what is in the IV?"
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by brewer - September 15, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am

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