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Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
This is getting so goddamn tedious.


Yes, I used a tool of reason (Occam's Razor) to demonstrate why your reasoning is flawed (you haven't ruled out simpler/more likely/more easily testable explanations before moving on to "God-mind did it."). At no point did I say reason is entirely useless, and since your arguments and claims are devoid of evidence and constructed purely of reason, evidence is not required to refute or even dismiss them. Don't bitch at me just because you both issued the challenge and chose the weapons.


Your premises are irrelevant, flawed, and/or just wrong, as I and others have already pointed out and thoroughly explained.


Your conclusion does not follow from your premises; again this has been thoroughly explained to you, and again you seem mystified by it.


Even if they weren't, though...even if we granted every premise and conclusion without thinking twice about them...this tells us nothing about the contents or rules of our Universe, how it operates, why it operates, why it's here, or what our purpose is in it, and it still leaves us without a way to know if this supposed mind-thing even actually exists, let alone where it comes from, how it operates, why it operates, why it's there, what its purpose is, what it wants us to do, if it wants us to do anything...there is literally no way to learn anything about this thing except through "introspection" (read: daydreaming and asserting one's imagined musings as facts).


There is a reason science ignores claims that cannot be tested, proven, or disproven. At best they give it a "Sure, maybe, but where's your evidence?" to which the near-universal response is "But you can't prove me WRONG!" Nobody cares. Prove that you're right, and prove it in a way you can demonstrate. When you talk about the fundamental nature of shared reality, everything we observe suggests that it is objective, physical, and self-sufficient. When you begin trying to explain how and why such a thing exists as it does, you are walking into an arena that is dominated by evidence. Yes, reason is often used to draw conclusions from evidence, but attempting to use mere reason on a field where evidence is king is like trying to beat a shield fighter with a shield but no sword. Sure, you can defend yourself, but you're not going to score any points.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
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RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Cato - September 18, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist - by Redbeard The Pink - September 20, 2015 at 2:49 pm

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