(September 22, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(September 22, 2015 at 12:32 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Okay, well then it's simple. Best estimates of the Crusades are 5 million killed in the first four Crusades, while Stalin only killed 2.9 (this number includes deaths in the Gulags and forced relocations, in addition to actual executions).
Not even close. The estimates are more like:
1 MAO ZEDONG
China (1949-76) Regime Communist Victims 60 million
China’s so-called ‘Great Helmsman’ was in fact the greatest mass murderer in history. Most of his victims were his fellow Chinese, murdered as ‘landlords’ after the communist takeover, starved in his misnamed ‘Great Leap Forward’ of 1958-61, or killed and tortured in labour camps in the Cultural Revolution of the Sixties. Mao’s rule, with its economic mismanagement and continual political upheavals, also spelled poverty for most of China’s untold millions. The country embraced capitalism long after his death.
2 JOSEPH STALIN
Soviet Union (1929-53) Regime Communist Victims 40 million
Lenin’s paranoid successor was the runner-up to Mao in the mass-murder stakes. Stalin imposed a deliberate famine on Ukraine, killed millions of the wealthier peasants – or ‘kulaks’ – as he forced them off their land, and purged his own party, shooting thousands and sending millions more to work as slaves and perish in the Gulag.
3 ADOLF HITLER
Germany (1933-45) Regime Nazi dictatorship Victims 30 million
The horror of Adolf Hitler’s dictatorship lies in the uniqueness of his most notorious crime, the Holocaust, which stands alone in the annals of inhuman cruelty. It was carried out under the cover of World War II, a conflict Hitler pursued with the goal of obtaining ‘Lebensraum’. The war ended up costing millions of lives, leaving Europe devastated and his Third Reich in ruins.
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Hitler was raised Catholic and may or may not have believed in some higher power. But he killed because he was racist and to gain power, not as a crusading atheist. And he didn't give a damn about whether Jews believed in god, only that they had Jewish ancestry. And those who carried out his orders were almost invariably Christian. And he appealed to Christians for why Jews should be killed. It's a wash. Catholics were implicit partly out of fear and partly out of racism. Ditto Christians in general. Both Catholics and Lutherans participated. So victims 30 million a wash.
Mao may have believed in a higher power or not. Who cares?. He killed people because of their political beliefs, or more accurately for their failure to comply, not over religion or lack there of.
Ditto Stalin.
Neither Stalin nor Mao would have hesitated to kill an atheist. They both killed for power and out of paranoia.
But the inquisition and the burning of heretics elsewhere and the holy wars. Those were because of religion. And people were killed because of their religion not because of race or politics.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.