RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2015 at 4:59 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
Everyone looks cooler in shades.
Yes, that's a more accurate picture. But if you'll look at the details in there, most of those died from famine and forced labor and/or relocation. The question here is, "did Stalin kill people because he was an atheist", or were the deaths a result of him being a maniacal tyrant seeking to establish an empire, like thousands of (mostly religious) tyrannical maniacs throughout history?
Even his actual murders of clergy and religious leaders was not because he was an atheist and just wanted to kill religious people, but because those people spoke out against the rise of the Communist Party, and Stalin killed anyone who did that, even if they were atheists too.
(September 22, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(September 22, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How about you link to a site owned by the people who gathered the data in the first place?
Here's a link quoting researchers in the former Soviet Union. The numbers are still very, very large.
And Stalin was just ONE of this century's notable atheist leaders. There are a lot more who could add to this body count.
Yes, that's a more accurate picture. But if you'll look at the details in there, most of those died from famine and forced labor and/or relocation. The question here is, "did Stalin kill people because he was an atheist", or were the deaths a result of him being a maniacal tyrant seeking to establish an empire, like thousands of (mostly religious) tyrannical maniacs throughout history?
Even his actual murders of clergy and religious leaders was not because he was an atheist and just wanted to kill religious people, but because those people spoke out against the rise of the Communist Party, and Stalin killed anyone who did that, even if they were atheists too.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.