The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians

[Kingpin]

Rocket, 

I don't disagree with your take on abortion and a woman's right for her own body.  I don't care for the argument that likens the fetus to a bacterial parasite.  Everyone knows that fetus is/will be a human being.  Also what is often left out of the abortion discussion is the right of the father who helped conceive that child.  This is why abortion is such a tough topic, because there are a lot of variables.  

I want to throw a hypothetical, purely because I'm curious of your opinion, but I know you and your girlfriend are expecting.  What if she decided that she wants an abortion?  You respect her right for her bodily integrity, but what about your right as the father of that child?

I apologize for taking so long to answer you, Kingpin. It has been a busy workday. I'm also fighting with a customer who keeps swearing the check is in the mail. Literally.

The answer to your question is contained in what I already wrote, above. The answer to Chad's question is also in there. I meant every word of that.

But to specifically answer. I would be devastated if she chose to abort that fetus. I very much want that child. However, I absolutely respect her right to determine what happens to her body. Not I, nor any man, nor anyone else but her, has that right. Period. End of sentence. I control no part of her, including her uterus, and any interaction she has with me is 100% voluntary, or else I am unworthy of her. I am just as free to choose to not be with her as she is with me, but I am not free to control her. Feminism 101.

As to Chad's argument, which states that the reason the fetus/child has no rights is "because it is weak and vulnerable", it's entirely beside the point of this entire argument. It has no rights which could possibly supersede the right to bodily integrity of the mother, no matter what status we grant it, even that of full adult, if we so choose. That's why I used the example of the couple of adult people in which one had caused kidney failure (leading to death) in the other, when the first who caused it has the only set of compatible kidneys on earth. Even in that example, where taking the kidney of the first would allow the life of the second to continue, we do not  have the legal right to force the person to give up the kidney in order that the other might live, even though person A caused person B to have a life whose continuance is contingent on person A's body part, regardless of how we might feel  about it, or about person A.

I can agree with all of that.  We have no right to say what they do with their own body.  But the debate stems from how the fetus is classified.  I've seen it classified as anything from a human being to a parasite.  I personally think classifying the fetus as anything but a human is disingenuous.  It is and always will be a human.  It is a human in its early stages of development with a beating heart 18 days after conception.  While I have no say over what a woman does to her own body, do I have a say in what she does to my child?  It's tough right?  

Wait I say next will undoubtedly be controversial.  Can you explain why killing a baby in utero is ok based solely on the decision of the mother (as you said you have no say), but killing a baby a minute after its born is murder?  Is it a different baby?  Is it any less dependent on the mother than when in utero?  

I am in no way saying you support any of this, I'm honestly just curious what you think on this. Thanks for the reply