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The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
(September 30, 2015 at 4:07 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:
(September 30, 2015 at 3:56 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: CL, that's your definition of life.  Not the definition of life, and yours certainly isn't based on any scientific reasoning (brain activity, ability to feel pain, consciousness, etc).  So no, I don't have to think that aborting an early term fetus is 'killing a human', thank you very much.

In any case, bodily autonomy is paramount for me in this issue.  The rights of the woman to use her own body as she likes supersedes the rights of anyone else, even if we were to agree that a blastocyst had the rights of a human being.  You're not asking for equal human rights for an embryo, you're asking for special rights above those that we would give ANY human, from a toddler to the Pope.  No human in any situation can claim another's body to use as their own, and there's no reason we should give that 'special' right to a fetus either.

I agree that you don't have to agree with that definition.  

I emphasized the above because you don't really believe that the fetus claimed the woman's body to use as their own out of their own volition?  You do understand the only reason for it's existence was out of a choice that the mother made (not counting cases of rape)?  You don't think that if the mother makes a conscious choice to have consensual sex knowing that pregnancy is always a possibility, she bares no responsibility for the consequence?  And the embryo, fetus, blastocyst (however you want to categorize it) is also equally part of her willing partner.  Does the woman's rights supersede his as well?  Look I've said repeatedly this is not an easy topic so there are not easy answers.

Maybe she didn't make that choice consciously and got pregnant by accident. Or maybe she changed her mind due to certain factors such as sudden lack of support from the would-be father, fear or anxiety, depression, or simply realising she's not ready to be a mother yet.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by Spooky - September 18, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by abaris - September 17, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by brewer - September 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by MTL - September 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by rado84 - September 17, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by Cato - September 17, 2015 at 11:57 pm
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians - by KevinM1 - September 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm
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