The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Of course the child is way less dependent on the mother after the birth. Are you even serious? That's why when a mother dies during or shortly after child-birth, a child can survive, whereas if she dies a few months before - it can't, unless perhaps some doctors decide to "play god" in order to artificially keep the fetus alive. An option, that - as you probably know - was not available until very recently and has very small chances of success even with everything modern medicine has to offer.

Also - nobody's advocating 3rd trimester abortions. The way you're presenting the issue is simplistic and basically - an attempt at appeal to emotions. Which is understandable, since you don't seem to have any actual arguments at your disposal.

I understand that no one is advocating 3rd trimester abortions.  I'm not trying to appeal to emotion.  Where I have difficulty in understanding is why a first trimester abortion is ok for any reason, but a third trimester abortion is not.  Two weeks before a baby is born, is it ok to abort?  We are still talking about bodily autonomy of the mother and the baby is solely dependent on that mother's resources (same as in first trimester).  PT brought up brain waves and ability to think and reason.  So is the point of life when there is brain activity?  

My other point was that fetus/embryo/baby is also a part of someone else (aside from the mother).  So is the man not a father (and thus having parental rights) until that child is born and cord is cut?  Or is it when the baby has a reasonable viability outside of the womb?  

Amillia Taylor is the world's youngest premature baby ever to survive, and was born at just 21 weeks and six days into her gestation, which was two weeks before the legal abortion cut off at the time in the US.

I, as a man, have no right that could ever supersede her right to bodily autonomy. The fetus/child does not. The father does not. The government does not. And that's really the end of the discussion, in legal terms.

On the other hand, I am interested in knowing why the same Republicans who claim to be so anti-abortion do not go to more effort to incentivize women into not choosing to abort, such as passing laws that prohibit their firing for becoming pregnant (there's a federal law, but it's kinda vague and mushy, and not always effective in states that have managed to get around it), provide medical leave and child care that allow her to continue working when she can, free medical coverage for the costs of the procedures surrounding childbirth and pregnancy, et cetera. America fails on almost every level of this question.

So to hear them screaming against abortion is insane, to me. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. And when they start pontificating about "the consequences of sex", or other forms of slut-shaming, it makes me want to hit someone.

This is all a side-issue, of course, to the question of whether it's a legal and absolute right to female bodily autonomy.