(September 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:(September 30, 2015 at 10:26 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The real question is when is a person a person. When sperm penetrates egg is obviously silly. And it goes on being silly for a while. A thing that can't think is not a person. When does it become a person?
Hebrews thought is was first breath. Romans thought it was when Daddy said so. Supreme Court seems to think it's when it can live outside the uterus.
Yes Jenny this is really the crux of it. I would argue life begins at conception because it is still human, just very early stage. This was the point I was trying to make when I posted this:
"I understand that no one is advocating 3rd trimester abortions. I'm not trying to appeal to emotion. Where I have difficulty in understanding is why a first trimester abortion is ok for any reason, but a third trimester abortion is not. Two weeks before a baby is born, is it ok to abort? We are still talking about bodily autonomy of the mother and the baby is solely dependent on that mother's resources (same as in first trimester). PT brought up brain waves and ability to think and reason. So is the point of life when there is brain activity?
My other point was that fetus/embryo/baby is also a part of someone else (aside from the mother). So is the man not a father (and thus having parental rights) until that child is born and cord is cut? Or is it when the baby has a reasonable viability outside of the womb?
Amillia Taylor is the world's youngest premature baby ever to survive, and was born at just 21 weeks and six days into her gestation, which was two weeks before the legal abortion cut off at the time in the US."
So....it should be fine then to induce labor if the mother doesn't want to be pregnant. Then whether or not the baby survives is up to nature (or in god's hands if you prefer to see it that way). Right?
