RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 30, 2015 at 11:27 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2015 at 11:32 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
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(September 30, 2015 at 11:21 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: Ok, but again this is not the same thing. Pregnancy in most cases is not life threatening to the mother or child. Most cases, it's pretty straightforward process. Plus, I've already said I don't think abortion should be illegal, because I do believe that scenarios exist where it is justified and/or necessary. I'm also of the belief that no one should tell a woman what she should do with her body. I'm trying to show that this choice doesn't just affect her body, but the body of the one living inside of her that is there of a choice she made herself. And I've already stated my concern for the father's rights as well to that child and some of you have echoed your own disappointment in such a situation, but still respect the woman's choice. That's fine.
I'm trying to understand in what scenarios people feel it is ok to terminate a pregnancy and why is it different at different stages? If you can terminate in week 4, but not in week 30, why? And if you argue you can terminate in week 30, why not a minute after birth? If you decide you don't want the child, what's wrong with terminating at any stage? Look I understand this isn't a light discussion and each case may be unique, so if we are going in circles, we can just leave it alone and move on
Actually, pregnancy does risk the life of the mother. Abortion is (significantly) statistically safer than having the child, especially in the USA, where we have a shockingly high maternal death rate in childbirth.
reuters.com Wrote:Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.
However, that's not why the life is at risk, in the example. The life is at risk simply to place one life at dependency on the other, in order to make a womb-baby analogy. And my point is that it doesn't matter when we determine that a baby is viable, etc; the woman maintains control of her body so long as she is an incubator for that child, and as long as she is placed at any risk by carrying the child. It's up to her to make that determination for herself, and no one else. So yes, even if she gave birth to a fully-grown adult human, it still would qualify right up to the moment that adult detached itself from her, and irrespective of the reason it got there in the first place.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.