The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians

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  Fetuses and corpses cannot be compared with each other. Fetuses, unlike corpses, are still alive.

We don't need to fight for the rights of corpses as much as we need to fight for the rights of those who remain alive, such as fetuses.

Hey, look, you're the one that brought up "human appearances," as a reason one should force women to give birth, not me. If it turns out that's irrelevant to your argument- if, say, you'll disregard other things that have human appearances, like corpses- then that's on you. I brought it up specifically because it was a case in which your argument applies, but would be a ridiculous position to hold. It's called reductio ad absurdum, and what it shows is that consistently applying the argument you made would be ridiculous.

You sincerely believe that my statements advocate rape?

No, what I believe is that you're inconsistently applying your argument, and that if you weren't special pleading, then your statements would not only advocate rape, but encourage it. I know that's not what you're actually saying, which demonstrates that there are arbitrary limits to this "it'll become a person, so keep it alive no matter what!" position you're espousing. You don't actually think that being a potential human is sufficient reason to force women to do things they don't want to do, except in specific cases which you do for ideological reasons you're then attempting to dress up.

"If any other human hooked themselves up to a woman without her consent to feed off of her organs to keep themselves alive you would consider that insane, and them criminals." The problem with this particular statement is that it confers fetuses to be mere parasites; enemies of its host body: the mother. Such a viewpoint seeks to degrade the dignity of human persons; Mankind by extension. It also downgrades the natural aspects of pregnancy. 

So, do you have an actual argument? Because "this makes me feel icky," is not one of those. I don't care if you think this degrades human dignity: you said that fetuses should have human rights, and I quite rightly pointed out that even if we were to grant them that, that still wouldn't make it rightful for them to feed off of another person's organs without that person's consent. Your only answer to this is that you find that image uncomfortable; I take it you have nothing legitimate to say, then?

Fetuses have the innate right to absorb nutrients from the mother. It's nature; its how the mother's body operates. We shouldn't blame the fetus for obeying nature's laws.

Ahhh, so then when you said that fetuses should have human rights, what you meant to say was that fetuses should have special rights that no other person has, presumably just because you say so? Do you have any reason or justification for thinking that fetuses should have special rights, or is it just that this would line up with your ideological presuppositions, and so you're content to just sweep it under the rug?

The two partners would be irresponsible to engage in an activity that is objectively and widely known to produce additional humans. Based on this, the mother did give consent: she gave consent by having sexual intercourse to begin with.

Consent to sexual intercourse is no more consent to be pregnant than consent to keeping your own money is consent to be shot by a mugger shouting "give me your money or I'll shoot you!" Don't be obtuse.

We know that sexual intercourse produces children, so if we engage in sexual intercourse, we should expect children. It's nature, hence why the fetus isn't at fault.

By that token, we know that sexual intercourse sometimes results in fetuses that are spontaneously aborted, therefore abortion is okay... but I suspect you're just content to special plead that away too.

From the way I see it, we anti-abortion folk do not view the unborn as deserving of special rights, we seek to protect the innate rights of the unborn, and all other humans, particularly the right to life.

You're not in favor of special rights for fetuses, no! You just think that fetuses should be given a right that no other human being has under any context, a sort of "special right," if you will... oh, wait...

It's strange that you would be willing to compare the actions of the unborn to that of criminals and the insane.  

Sorry, but "that makes me sad," is not an argument.