(October 8, 2015 at 12:57 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 12:22 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Certainly.
God is saying, essentially: "I love you more than you can imagine. I want you to love me, too. You have free will to choose to accept my love and love me in return, or to reject my offer. Oh, and if you reject my offer I'm going to drop you into a pit of burning sulfur."
That is a rapist and psychopath.
I don't prefer torture; I prefer defiance to submission in the face of a violent threat.
God does not threaten us with hell, He saves us from it!
Hell is there because we sinned. It has to do with justice.
Nope!
He created everything, including the concept of sin (as disobedience to God).
If we do not obey, then we are sent (or allowed to go to) this place that God created specifically for those who defy God.
The solution to not being sent there is to "accept" the "love" of God and submit.
That. Is. A. Rapist.
The notion that it is "justice" for a powerful being to create a torture chamber for people who will not obey the "revelations" claimed to have been made to a desert tribe of Bronze Age sheepherders, and send anyone who refuses to submit to that ruleset there, is not only laughable, it's just plain nuts. Especially since some of the other "revelations" include justifications for slavery, genocide, and women as property of men, concepts I find morally repugnant.
I also find the concept of "submit or be tortured" morally repugnant. Why not a system which rewards the faithful but allows nonbelievers to just die like the other animals, as we atheists already think we do? It is the threat of hell that makes God into a rapist. A non-rapist says, "I love you and want you to love me, but if you don't that's okay too. Have a nice life."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.