(January 2, 2016 at 10:06 am)popsthebuilder Wrote:(January 2, 2016 at 3:37 am)KevinM1 Wrote: By giving god traits, you are limiting it because that's how language works. If it's innately benevolent, then it cannot be malevolent. Descriptions create definitions, which remove options.Just because God knows all doesn't mean it wouldn't create or form anything. Your flaw is in assuming God wouldn't create or form anything because, to you, somethings that knows everything and needs nothing wouldn't create anything. That a they flaw of your rationale. Don't bring others into the to back up your own flawed views. Theists have mothballs g to do with this conversation. You did happen to make one decent point and that is that God is not malevolent.
Moreover, the traits you listed mean something. A self-subsisting, all-encompassing, omnipotent, omniscient creature simply wouldn't create anything intentionally. Willful creation implies a want or need. They may be instinctual, but they are the manifestation of deficiency. The creature you described (because, again, words have meaning) would have no deficiencies. It wouldn't be lonely (self-subsisting) or curious (omniscient). It would have no reason to propagate (pick one from your list).
Your stated vision of your creator god is self-contradictory. Intentional creation implies want or need, which implies an imperfect, necessarily limited being. And if our creation wasn't intentional, then why should we care about it, let alone worship it?
And, please, let's do better than a weak appeal to ignorance as a reply, hmm? It's not illogical for one to critique another's assertion. That critique doesn't imply belief or disbelief, and is not incongruent with either. Furthermore, there's no reason to believe human rationale is somehow not up to the task of that criticism when human rationale is (poorly, IMO) used by billions of theists across the globe as a means to come to and defend their belief in their god. You don't have the monopoly on thinking just because I don't agree with you.
And yes, it can be long suffering for our sake. How could it not be? Unlike the rest of existence, most men don't follow the direction put forth by GOD and make their own path. God is long suffering for our sake because it is constantly giving us new opportunities based on our actions. So explain, if yo will, how a thing that is all powerful, and all knowing can't also be compassionate?
Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
You clearly don't understand the implications attached to terms like omniscience, omnipotence, self-sustaining, and all-encompassing, yet you claim that my rationale is flawed?
Please.
Get back to us when you learn not to throw around terms you don't fully understand.
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