(January 28, 2016 at 6:23 pm)Vicki Q Wrote:(January 28, 2016 at 4:59 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: On your dismissal of the 'failed revolutionary' explanation, which is one I didn't offfer in my post, many big things have grown out of initial failures. By your hypothesis Nazi Germany couldn't have happened, nor could the Irish Republic. Bith those entities grew out of failed violent revolutions (in Ireland's case at least five).
There's pretty major differences. Irish Republicanism was an ongoing historical movement that was going to survive any number of failures, and the Nazi setbacks weren't nearly serious enough to end it all. However C1 Jewish Messianic movements simply couldn't survive the death of their Messiah because of the theology involved. Your Messiah had to survive, or by definition he wasn't the Messiah. End of. That's how C1 Jewish Messianic movements worked, and we know this solidly both from theory and very good historical evidence.
That's how they worked, unless in this case they didn't. Your inductive argument is weak in a context of one-time-only events.
What's your historical evidence that failed C1 messianic revolutions can't give rise to greater revolutions?