(February 3, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Not buying it. With any failed prediction, if the group carries on, new beliefs replace old beliefs.
And if the group doesn't carry on, because they got disillusioned, they go their separate ways. Like every failed C1 Jewish messainic group in history.
Quote:This is just special pleading.
That's nearly the point.
We agree that it is entirely possible for a religious movement to suffer serious failure, and for that movement to continue, possibly in a modified form.
However, for reasons I have outlined repeatedly, a C1 messainic claimant who died without inaugurating the Kingdom was by definition a fraud. Therefore their movement ended without hope of continuing. That's where C1 Judaism is different from many other religious movements.
What is utterly astonishing is that Jesus' followers could somehow still think he had inaugurated the Kingdom, and were willing to die for the claim. The best explanation is that what they said they saw, they saw.