(May 20, 2010 at 10:06 am)Shell B Wrote: This is where we disagree. I only disagree with you for that plain and simple fact that not everyone has common sense. How can you ignore common sense, if you are a walking brick? Let's say a woman is gorgeous, but she doesn't have the sense it takes to pump her own gas. She dresses scantily because she is beautiful, she at least has enough sense to know that. However, her common sense doesn't tell her that she could attract negative attention this way. Basically, she has the mind of a child. Children, as we know, are far too trusting. So is this woman. Is it her fault then, if she doesn't know any better? I think not. The fault lies with the attacker, every time. 100% of the blame is his (or hers, not all rapists are men). Of course there are bad people out there who take advantage of naivete. None of the blame should ever be removed from them, for any reason. If you attack someone, you are piece of shit. If you are attacked, you are a victim, nothing more, nothing less. There is no partial blame here.And if every single victim of rape was a walking moron, I'd agree with you.
And if I hadn't already covered this scenario by saying that in "some cases" (i.e. not all cases) of rape, the victim has some of the blame, I'd agree with you.
For some reason you continue to make strawmen of what we've said. If we'd argued that in all cases the women shares some of the blame, you'd have a very good point, but we didn't. Even so, you seem to think that just because there are some cases where a woman cannot be blamed for the rape, this means that *all* cases are like this. That is a non-sequitur. Your example above simply covered the case which we'd already ignored for the obvious reasons.
So let me ask you about the opposite scenario:
A relatively smart woman (compared to your idiot above) goes out dressed in slutty clothing, gets drunk, then decides to walk home alone without calling a taxi, and ultimately gets raped. Do you accept that part of the blame does go to her for not anticipating the scenario (which in this day and age should be something every woman thinks about) and not arranging suitable "getting home" arrangements?