Objectifying women

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There's a difference between women walking down the street with their bodies hanging out for the express purpose of sex- these are called prostitutes- and a woman who is simply comfortable enough with her body to wear clothing that reflects that. One is asking for sex, and as such, contributing to the acquiring of sex while one is simply wearing clothing. There is absolutely no pre-meditated "I want to get laid" behidn a woman dressing up.

Let's make a distinction. At what point do you draw the line? What articles of clothing are saying "sex" and what others are saying "secure with my body"? Can you make a list?

Also, how can you make the bald faced assertion that women don't dress up to attract mates for sex? I'm guessing you've never been to a club with alcohol involved, but it's sort of common.

I'm with Eilonnwy here, a woman doesn't dress up just to show off her goods for potential mates to ogle at- she may simply want to wear what she finds pleasing, comfortable, and attractive in her tastes. She is not contributing to or looking for the act of sex by wearing the clothing, she is simply expressing herself just like any man would do through style of dress.

Again with the fall-on-your-face contradictions. A woman doesn't dress up to show off her goods, but she wears something she finds attractive. What the hell is she attracting? It doesn't mean she's necessarily looking for sex, but no one is implying that. The fact is, she knows what she looked like coming out of the house, and should know the risks involved and take precautions to those risks.

Similarly, beauty paegant contestants or models may want to get across a 'message' by putting themselves out there on the stage and trying to look good while making a statement, but that message is not always "FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF ME."

Yes, being sexually attractive has nothing to do with beauty pageants or modeling.

That deserves an applause.

Come on, guys. Some time I am ashamed to be one of you.

Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. Don't parade your babynuts around here thinking you know something about how the world works, then condemn others for not having your views. It's a fucking forum, where opinions may differ from time to time. Ashamed of being a guy? Congratulations.

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There's a difference between women walking down the street with their bodies hanging out for the express purpose of sex- these are called prostitutes- and a woman who is simply comfortable enough with her body to wear clothing that reflects that. One is asking for sex, and as such, contributing to the acquiring of sex while one is simply wearing clothing. There is absolutely no pre-meditated "I want to get laid" behidn a woman dressing up.

I'm with Eilonnwy here, a woman doesn't dress up just to show off her goods for potential mates to ogle at- she may simply want to wear what she finds pleasing, comfortable, and attractive in her tastes. She is not contributing to or looking for the act of sex by wearing the clothing, she is simply expressing herself just like any man would do through style of dress.

Similarly, beauty paegant contestants or models may want to get across a 'message' by putting themselves out there on the stage and trying to look good while making a statement, but that message is not always "FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF ME." Come on, guys. Some time I am ashamed to be one of you.

I'm surprised, Watson. I agree with almost everything you wrote here, only wanting to add that hookers also must not be blamed if they are raped. They are simply selling a service.

As a female human, I should have the right to wear or not wear whatever is socially acceptable for the male humans to wear. That includes going topless. Get used to it world. My body comes with tits. Men's bodies come with visible chest hair. No big deal. I decided over 30 years ago that I had no reason or desire to wear a bra, so I don't. I don't give a shit what people think. Just like I don't give a shit whether they like my hair or not.

Here in Toronto, we have the legal right to go topless now. I'm chicken to be one of the first ones doing it, but as soon as it's not seen as any weirder than a male going topless, I'm there!!! Summers are hot you know. Should men have to wear tops to cover the very nice chests some of them have?

No one should ever get raped for their visual attractiveness. But they don't get raped because of that. It's the power trip/conquering thing that makes the rapist horny. If all women are covered head to toe to hide the body that everyone still knows they have, the rapist will still rape. It's the rapist who should be blamed, never the victim.

Some people like to say that it's the victim's fault for making the rapist too horny. Bullshit. Anyone who is too horny can wank. Problem solved if that were really the problem.

As for beauty pageants, the points in this video sum up the way I feel about things like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TdEYqOZY_E

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1. ZOMGitsCriss is one of the most attractive people I've ever seen (intellectually) - physically she's not bad either.

2. No one's saying that wearing revealing clothing = justified rape. The general issue is that wearing revealing clothing attracts attention, both wanted and unwanted. Women who feel free enough with their bodies should know that this is something they must safeguard against. I'll make an example. My girlfriend lived by herself in Rhode Island for 2 years, and had to walk home from her job as a waitress every night. She would always watch out for groups of people or single individuals that looked like they were up to no good. If something set off an alarm, she crossed the street or took another route. She's never had an issue because she looked out for herself, and she wore miniskirts and moderately revealing clothing at her job.

This is the only thing I'm advocating - that women take account for how they look, how it can attract possibly unwanted attention, and how to make themselves ultimately safer with that knowledge.

3. Rape is bad, in any context. It isn't justifiable. Period.