Objectifying women

[Shell B]

For some reason you continue to make strawmen of what we've said. If we'd argued that in all cases the women shares some of the blame, you'd have a very good point, but we didn't.

I believe I was addressing exactly what has been said in this thread, Adrian. Our opinion on what a strawman is must differ.

Even so, you seem to think that just because there are some cases where a woman cannot be blamed for the rape, this means that *all* cases are like this. That is a non-sequitur. Your example above simply covered the case which we'd already ignored for the obvious reasons.

Actually, that is what I think. Whether you think it is a non-sequitur or not; I stand by it. I simply used the above analogy because there seems to be a lot of forgetting that a victim is simply a victim going on here. In my mind, this is easy and rather cut and dry.

A relatively smart woman (compared to your idiot above) goes out dressed in slutty clothing, gets drunk, then decides to walk home alone without calling a taxi, and ultimately gets raped. Do you accept that part of the blame does go to her for not anticipating the scenario (which in this day and age should be something every woman thinks about) and not arranging suitable "getting home" arrangements?

Absolutely not. I will never agree that a person should accept any responsibility for being raped. As I mentioned before, rape isn't about what a person is wearing, anyway. Therefore, clothing shouldn't even be factored into a discussion on doling out blame for rape.

When I leave my front door unlocked, it simply makes it easier for a person to break in. Sure, I should have locked my door, but the person who broke in would have broken in anyway. The only difference is now I don't have to buy a new window. With rape, it's a little different. What I am wearing doesn't make it any easier for a person to rape me; they could simply cut out the crotch of my pants and panties and have done with it. I would have to recover a whole lot more than my clothing afterward, however. I say all of this because in any scenario, the rapist likely would have raped her regardless of her clothing. Furthermore, he can follow her home from wherever she was, whether she took a cab or not.