Objectifying women

[Scented Nectar]

Stop right there. No one is saying women have to be more alert then men. Men need to stay alert for danger. Being a man doesn't give you a free pass from the dangerous/criminal actions of others. I, and I bet all the other dudes here, look over their shoulders when walking down a dark street. We look around to become aware of our surroundings before using the ATM.

Actually, you are saying women should be more alert than men, since women already have to be alert to things like ATM thefts in addition to sex crimes, maybe more than you men since we are smaller physically. And for sexual violence, every woman already takes more precautions than men, avoiding walking in deserted areas whenever possible etc. It is completely unreasonable to also expect women to avoid popular fashion, popular entertainment (having a drink or two), and going home in a way that's popular (flagging a cab). These things are popular for a reason. Lots of people enjoy them and consider them a commonplace and acceptable thing.

If I do not look around and become aware of my surroundings, if I walk up to the dimly lit ATM not scoping it out first for danger knowing full well there are those who stalk ATMs looking for unaware naive victims, and just walk up and begin cashing out counting the money in full view of any around, then walk off, get followed and mugged. Do I or do I not hold some responsibility for the theft due to my ignorant actions of 1.)Ignoring inherent dangers. 2.)Not moving on to use an ATM in a more lit, secure place. 3.)Flashing and counting my money out in the open. It's a simple Yes or No question.

No. Just like you wouldn't be to blame for getting robbed after openly displaying that you have a job, and therefore money, by dressing in a manner that flaunts it (I hear you openly carry a briefcase, you hussy!). And I'm disregarding the bad neighbourhood part of what you wrote, since there is no such parallel in rapes. It most often happens in what should be thought of logically as the safest place, the home.

"Society" is not "telling" anyone to dress suductively, just as it's not telling me I have to use that ATM machine.

It is telling women that attractive clothing/appearance is desirable and should be sought after. It's a multi-million dollar industry, maybe multi-billion.

Anyways, it's not ever been concluded that sexy clothing catches the attention of potential rapists...

I linked a study that includes that in it's conclusions.

I didn't see that. I'll take a look for it later, unless you want to repost the url, in which case, sooner than later.

Every man has this urge to procreate in one way or another.

Women get horny and want to breed too, so what?

In 99% of us it is easily controlled and kept in check. WE know what the triggers are. WE know what intices the instinct. Any man who denies this and states "I never thought of sex with her, honey" is lying just as the man who says "I never jacked-off!" Lying just as much as the guy who says they used to jack off but they quit. When you women are with your men and find yourself elbowing him in the ribs for 'checking out' some "bitch" are you catching them checking out the fat-assed ones? The wheelchair bound ones? The ones in burkas? Or are you catching then oogling the hottie in daisy dukes? Or the hottie with 1/2 the tits hanging out?

You are mixing up nonviolent things like consentual sex and masturbation with rape. Rapists get horny about forcing it, and what is the world supposed to do? Should women everywhere compete to be the ugliest and most unnoticeable in order to avoid a potential attack? Only a minority of women have even BEEN raped so, for most it's not even really on the mind as something to worry extra about any more than any of a zillion other possible crimes out there. As far as your jealous woman scenario, I'm guessing that the reason rapists go after some unpopular for sex types, is their higher physical vulnerability factor, which is probably a part of what makes the rapist horny.

Men are VISUALLY stimulated. Look it up. 99% of porn buyers are men for a reason. Women. I'm guessing based on what I've read, are stimulated more based on emotional reasons. So it's easy to see why a majority of them cannot fathom that rape isn't an emotionally based play of power.

That's bull. Lots of women like porn. I'm one of them. With the same freedom that men have, more and more women are enjoying porn. Only societal/cultural teachings steer some women towards needing to always attach emotions to sex. Mixed in with that is the message women got from society saying that desiring more than just one lover is wrong. Approved 'porn' for women (aka romance novels) has always attached a huge lump of emotional and life goal fulfillment with the most boring softcore sex ever. Porn does not cause rape by the way, so what does this whole porn thing have to do with it? It probably even prevents a few. Since there are many categories of porn, a rapist can wank to a staged rape scene, and maybe that's one less real life assault on someone. And who said that rape is an emotion based power play? It's someone acting on the fact that the (over)powering is making him horny, not just power games either, but full out nonconsent and force. I've nothing against people consentually play power games or whatever.

In the context of this discussion; Woman objectifies herself by hanging the ass and 1/2 the tits out there for all to see, another objectifys her and takes advantage, share the blame. A few posts ago I believe it was you who was saying "Never the blame", and now you are accepting the concept?

Why do you assume that objectification in itself will lead to someone taking advantage? A person who decides to carry out desires of hurting/harming others is going to try and do it no matter what. No matter how non-objectified everyone is. And really, everyone objectifies lots of people traits, not just sex, to some degree anyways, so really is it even a factor? Objectifying does not necessarily mean that you want to harm the person. That would only be the case if you were already the type to harm before objectifying. I completely objectify men sometimes on things like their dick sizes and looks, but I certainly don't want to hurt any. If an attractive guy is hurting or even just not horny about me in particular, I lose my horniness for them. I may want to comfort them or something if they are hurting, but have sex with them? Not unless they are going to enjoy it too. You see, I often objectify men sexually, but the idea of hurting them/nonconsent does not make me horny, no matter how much I objectify men as sex objects, and no matter how little I objectify them either.