Objectifying women

[Dotard]

You came across that way to me because of you stressing that victims of robbery/rape in some small/large ways were partly responsible for the crime perpetrated against them.

I stress individuals are reponsible for their own personal safety. If one refuses to take reasonable precautionary measures to help ensure their own safety, does it, or does it not logically follow that person is partly responsible if a crime is perpetrated against them?

I think you still have that opinion, but you have answered my question as regards the legal position.

Legal standpoints can differ from personal ones. We may agree those poor Iranian women forced to wear burkas is wrong. They should be able to wear whatever they choose. No man has a right to dictate a womans choice of clothing. But the "Legal" position in Iran is what?

I agree with you that we all must take responsibility for our actions.

No matter which side our actions are on? If I am waving my money around I am not legally responsible for the inevitable theft? No I am not. Would you say I am personally responsible? (I want to say 'morally' responsible, but that didn't seem to fit) Would you not tell me "Dumbass! Why were you waving it around?"

Thank God the courts realize that no matter what the actions, no matter how irresponsible, of one party that does not excuse a perpetrators lack of control over the baser instinct to 'gather' resources even at the expense of 'other tribes'.

IMO that does not excuse the potential victim's lack of reasonable protective measures nor give a 'free pass' to behave in irresponsible manners and expect not to become a victim of criminal activity.

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Basically fr0do is saying; 'You are not a woman, STFU and GTFO'

If that is indeed what he is saying then to be consistant when the convo moves into "why men rape", then Frodo should be telling the women here "You're not a man, STFU and GTFU."