Objectifying women

[tavarish]

yes, you did. Here, let me quote you:

"What me and others are saying is that women who wear revealing clothing may attract attention, and should safeguard against any ill that can happen from this."

A sugarcoated way of saying "don't wear revealing clothing unless you are already on a man's arm and he can protect you.'

Heard it before.

...Yes, because the only way not to get in a car accident is not to drive.


It's clear you're just making straw men, and coming to conclusions no one made. Since when does "safeguard against" mean "stay home" or "get a man to protect you"? Where did I even imply this? Learn to read what is written, not what you would like it to say.

A sugarcoated way of saying "Don't leave your house"

Heard it before.

You are saying 'stay home and kick rocks'. Because that's the ONLY way to safeguard yourself. Stay in your house, behind a locked door, with locked and barred windows, with a good security system, a phone in one hand and a gun in the other.

Ok, at this point you're not arguing with me, because I never made a point even CLOSE to what you're asserting, in fact I said the EXACT opposite of everything you said.

A sugarcoated way of saying "Live your life in paranoia and fear"

Heard it before.

LOL. Sure - whatever you want. It can mean stay in your basement with a flashlight and a flyswatter if you wish, since we're constructing straw men and baseless assertions.

You are trying to sugarcoat it and thus claim it isn't what you are saying, but sorry, I've had way to many years of practice seeing through that kind of bullshit.

You apparently need some practice in reading what is written and not going on tangents fueled by your emotions and fallacious fucking arguments.

A woman has NO control over whether or not she is raped.

Uh huh. You're telling me a woman has no control over being raped, and then you're saying I'm promoting paranoia?

Sweetie, I got LUCKY. Lucky in that he chose broad fucking daylight with other people around to attack. Had he instead struck when I was closing up the office, I'd have been raped. I got lucky in that my rapist, a 6'4" tall construction worker who outmassed me by around 150lbs and had a foot of reach on me was stupid enough to attack after calling my attention to his presence while I happened a weapon already in my hand.

And had there not been other people on the job site who heard the commotion, again, purely through luck as they were coming back to get something out of the vehicles, I'd have been raped AND quite likely killed.

Hey, you remember the part where I said in some instances it's unavoidable? Remember that?

Remember how I said safeguard yourself in case such a situation happens? Did you not just say you had a weapon in your hand, effectively safeguarding yourself from rape? Did I say in any way you were responsible for the attempt?

So, enlighten me, on knowledgeable one. What 'safeguarding' and 'diffusing' did I actually have any control over? I didn't make my rapist a stupid inbred impulsive hick, so how exactly did I control the situation? He chose the time. He chose the place. He chose me. All the choices were his. I had absolutely no choices at all in the issue. Without choice, what control did I have?

You had a fucking weapon in your hand, which obviously worked in your favor. You made a lot of noise, which obviously worked in your favor. Do you get it now?

A woman bears absolutely no responsibility or blame for being raped or attacked. The only person who has any choice in the matter, any responsibility, or any blame is the rapist.

Now please point out to me where I said anything to the contrary, cause I can sure as hell point out where I've said your statement, almost verbatim. Keep your straw men at bay and be accurate. I tend to say exactly what I mean, and don't beat around the bush.

Go ahead.

Anyone who says otherwise is degrading and objectifying women and is part of the reason 1 in 4 women are raped and the conviction rate is so low. Anyone who says otherwise is the reason many women choose not to report their rapes rather than have to deal with judgmental bastards who question their actions and thus put the responsibility onto them for not being 'nice girls'.

OK, cool. Who the fuck are you talking about? I don't think anyone advocates anything you're writing about here.

Do you know how many women have committed suicide because of dealing with people who made comments like 'well, if you dressed like that, what did you expect?'

And? This isn't relevant at all to anything I've said.

Due to people like you and Tav making excuses for why men rape and the role a woman's actions prior to the rape play, he had plenty of time left after his less than a year in jail to go on to rape several more.

Excuse me?

It's not enough you go an some kind of childish emotionally driven tirade and make some ridiculous caricature of my argument, and then attempt to burn it down, now you're telling me I support rape?

Fuck you.

Take your silly fucking arguments and shove them on someone who gives a shit. I made my point abundantly clear lots of times in this thread, and I never advocated, tolerated, instigated, or supported any talk of a rape being justified in any context. If you had realized that before launching head first into your useless assertions we could have had a decent discussion.