RE: Objectifying women
July 10, 2010 at 10:28 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2010 at 10:32 pm by In This Mind.)
(July 10, 2010 at 9:42 pm)Dotard Wrote: If you had a client whom you were counselling because she keeps getting repeatedly raped and you know she walks to the store or where ever in a G-string bikini, you would not advise her to stop doing that? If she repeatedly gets drunk at the local hole-in-the-wall and has a habit of, when drunk, dancing on the tables hiking her skirt up showing her ass, you wouldn't include in your counselling session advice to stop doing that and she may decrease her risks?
Ah, so, women are only raped when they are acting like sluts?
Quote:If you seek answers to why rape occurs and what are it's triggers, whos contentions on the matter carry the most weight? Who do you believe can answer those questions, the rapists or the victims?
Both, actually. Rapists use the words 'she was asking for it' to blame the victim the same way you do. But it comes down to rape being not about the victim, but about the rapist and HIS issues.
Quote:You came in here and asked a specific question, "What could I have done to avoid what happened to me?"
If we were to actually answer that question it has become apparent from tour subsequent post you would have attacked us for doing so.
Yep. I would have. Because you'd have been wrong.
Quote:Your personal opinion on why rape occurs, even as a victim, does not truth make.
It's not my personal opinion.
Quote:I'll go with the opinions of the evolutionary biologists and rapists when seeking the answer to that question.
Then you are in full agreement with me. Interesting, isn't that?
(July 10, 2010 at 10:27 pm)tavarish Wrote: Hey, you remember the part where I said in some instances it's unavoidable? Remember that?
Remember how I said safeguard yourself in case such a situation happens? Did you not just say you had a weapon in your hand, effectively safeguarding yourself from rape? Did I say in any way you were responsible for the attempt?
Yes, you did. When you stated 'if she'd been safeguarding herself'. I safeguarded myself. I was still attacked.
Quote:You had a fucking weapon in your hand, which obviously worked in your favor. You made a lot of noise, which obviously worked in your favor.
And it didn't prevent the attack, do you get it now?
Quote:Now please point out to me where I said anything to the contrary
I have. Multiple times.
Go ahead.
Quote:OK, cool. Who the fuck are you talking about? I don't think anyone advocates anything you're writing about here.
You and Godhead are, for starters.
Quote:And? This isn't relevant at all to anything I've said.
You seriously don't get how it is relevant to what you said? Seriously?
You stated that a woman should take responsibility for her own safety and not dress to get attention, and don't see how that could cause a guilt complex for a woman who got raped?
Quote:It's not enough you go an some kind of childish emotionally driven tirade and make some ridiculous caricature of my argument, and then attempt to burn it down, now you're telling me I support rape?
Yes. I am. You are supporting rape culture by placing the blame on the woman by essentially stating that she was fucking asking for it by wearing sexy clothes on a dark street.
So, no, sweetie. FUCK YOU and your kind. You are the reason date rapists regularly walk free and women keep their silence. There is no difference between 'apportioning responsibility' and 'blame'. You are blaming the victim.