(July 13, 2010 at 10:00 pm)Dotard Wrote: Wha?! Did I not state the behaviors and/or actions that contribute to a societal view of women as sex objects? I would say women complaining about men viewing them as objects need not be blaming the men, but place it upon the women who advance this 'stereotype' for personal financial gain. Or any type of gain, it doesn't have to be strictly financial.I'm not talking about the original objectification, like pageants and wearing bathing suits or whatever. I mean the follow up stuff that's being complained about. The stuff the complainers think it causes.
I can't imagine that it's a dancer herself who would complain that men like her dancing, so I'm guessing that you mean the ones who complain at other stuff. Is it that the guy has approached, said hi, and something about her looking good? (possibly annoying, but not necessarily a bad or unreasonable thing), or is the guy going overboard with constant staring and catcalls and making her uncomfortable? What is the actual behaviour being complained about by the woman in the sexy bathing suit you referred to earlier? You said they objectify themselves and then complain about being objectified. It's the second one I'm not clear about. The definition for objectify is very vague and can be applied to many things and many interpretations.
I'm really shitty at giving kudos and rep. That's because I would be inconsistent in remembering to do them, and also I don't really want it to show if any favouritism is happening. Even worse would be inconsistencies causing false favouritisms to show. So, fuck it. Just assume that I've given you some good rep and a number of kudos, and everyone should be happy...