RE: Objectifying women
July 18, 2010 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2010 at 1:58 pm by In This Mind.)
(July 18, 2010 at 1:29 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: You have already decided what my answers are and dismissed them, but I'll put them into my own words, I suppose.
1- What exactly is the purpose of your 'advice'?: In general, if I gave someone advice that I thought might lower their odds of being raped, the purpose would be to show my concern for their welfare. "
On what basis to you make the claim that following your 'advice' will actually lower their odds of being raped considering that we have demonstrated several times now that the behavior you are advising on has nothing to do with the chances of being raped?
Quote:I have said that men are sexually aroused by visual stimuli and that a woman that intentionally dresses in a sexually attractive manner must be aware of that. It explains the stares and gawking she receives and the overly persistent drunk that's hoping to get into her pants.
So you are blaming her for inciting them. Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. You believe it is the woman's responsibility to change her harmless actions rather than the man's responsibility to grow the fuck up and have a little self-control. I appreciate you finally demonstrating your true underlying motives.
Quote:As if giving As if giving well intentioned advice is somehow doing the recipient of said advice a disservice. advice is somehow doing the recipient of said advice a disservice.
The bolded part, right there? That's the part of the statement that is a lie. It's not well-intentioned. Your intentions are not the safety of the woman, for the behavior you are advising her on is irrelevant to her chances of being raped. As I pointed out, it is like advising someone not to stand on a ladder to lower their chances of getting burned.
The intention of the advice is the underlying sexism, and the belief that men can't control themselves so women should hid themselves.
(July 18, 2010 at 1:38 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: It's irrelevant. Regardless of whether it's true or not that a woman can take a precaution, stating that she can is not victim blaming. Stating that she should or that she 'deserves it' or she is partly 'to blame' is victim blaming. Stating that she can take a precaution is merely making a factual statement that is either true or untrue, and you cannot go from facts to values. You are committing a logical fallacy. It is irrelevant to the victim-blaming matter whether it's true or not that a woman can take a precaution, it's only relevant if it is pushed and said that she also should. Clear?
I suggest if you wish to redefine the word, you take it up with the authors of the dictionary.