Objectifying women

[Eilonnwy]

It's irrelevant. Regardless of whether it's true or not that a woman can take a precaution, stating that she can is not victim blaming. Stating that she should or that she 'deserves it' or she is partly 'to blame' is victim blaming. Stating that she can take a precaution is merely making a factual statement that is either true or untrue, and you cannot go from facts to values. You are committing a logical fallacy. It is irrelevant to the victim-blaming matter whether it's true or not that a woman can take a precaution, it's only relevant if it is pushed and said that she also should. Clear?

EvF

And do you not see the logical fallacy in telling someone how to reduce their risk when the evidence shows that wearing sexy clothing or being alone at night has no impact on rape? Where the statistics show the majority of rape is by people you know and trust, and even happens in the victim's home.

When you've been a victim of rape, it's because he chose to rape you. His reasons are his own and they vary wildly. There is no way you can anticipate all the reasons a rapist would have and safeguard against them. There's no evidence that any of your common sense advice (And I've pointed out why common sense is a logical fallacy) actually reduces the risk. The only thing proven to reduce risk is educating the people who would rape on consent issues, etc..

By clinging to the long refuted idea that a woman can reduce risk by wearing modest clothes and staying off the streets at night, you not only stifle woman's freedoms, but contribute to the long standing rape culture which victim blames and slut shames its victims. By claiming that women have risks to reduce, you support the natural conclusion that when they are raped and have not complied with your mistaken advice, that they are responsible. That's how you are victim blaming.

As we have said repeatedly, show us the evidence it works. If you can't, why the hell would then advise people to follow your advice if you cannot sufficiently shows it does a damn thing? Do you not claim yourself to be someone who accepts things on evidence versus faith? Are you not taking things on faith when you assume your advice reduces risk?