(June 5, 2010 at 6:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Which of course fails to take into account the theistic view, which supposes that God is not just nature, but as creator of it - it coming from himself, and part of him. Not God is only nature : God is in nature.Firstoff, if it's any attack, it's not mine but Spinoza's.
The Christian viewpoint is well established and fixed for consideration. You present an elegant attack, if logically lacking.
Second, you're right, the theistic view supposes that god is not just nature. It still has nothing as evidence for this wild speculation. The logic that is lacking is the logic that there are properties of nature that are beyond nature.
Third, if you have read Spinoza, you should have to acknowledge that the guy did an awful good job of using his reasoning faculty and wasn't into any circular job of taking a dogmatic theistic view as a starting point. At the time an activity with all too well known capital consequences. So you can be sure that there were good reasons of bodily health to insert theistic dogma in the things he wrote, yet Spinoza did not. And guess what? The universe did not even flinch.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0