"ISIS is not Islamic

[paulpablo]

None of what you just said has anything to do with what I'm saying.  Islam is submission to gods will, I'm saying I don't believe the Quran is the word of God anyway so all Muslims are equally Islamic to me.  

The Quran and Hadith contain several verses that could be interpreted as violant.

if your going to take that attitude with life, then EVERYTHING is a danger for you to watch and see

there is verses in the Quran which talk about war, but ONLY an absolutely dim witted person would see that and make a horrible conclusion

and the interesting thing about the Quran is that at its beginning few pages it mentions those who take some verse of the Quran and ignore the other

Quran already warned about doing that 1400 years ago, and the Prophet even said "the one who knows a little of the Quran is more dangerous then the one who knows none of it"

meaning its not for every person to interpret it by taking one verse or a few verses , and there is a whole field of science about Quran interpretation , its like ANY other field of science , there is a method and it requires study , you cant just take it and suddenly your a master interpretor, and if i have to emphasise that point to you, then you problem is that you lack common sense and nobody can help you

there is HEAVY punishment and warning for people who give false fatwas or talking without knowledge but conjecture

this is again talked about in the Quran itself

the QUran is called a BOOK for a reason, you cant read one page and determine all your beliefs on that

its common sense

if you were going to learn Physics or Mathematics you dont read the first chapter and ignore the rest and then wonder why you failed the test?

its common sense

that's why i keep saying people here are using double standards with the Quran, they would never apply teh saem kind of standards to other books that they do to the Quran, but with the Quran they are intentionally choosing to be ignorant

and always ALWAYS talking out of ignorance and opinion, like everyone else here

everyone that replies to me replies with opinion

and even the guy who claims to know Arabic, so what if you now Arabic? i can read Arabic too

does that make your arguments valid? its such a childish argument that it makes me cringe when i read people who say that, and they instantly disqualify themselves as unbiased debaters

stop talking about how you know Arabic and make a academic argument

and the rest of you go and get some common sense

yes the Quran can be taken out of context, but so can ANY writing

you can take a recipe and read a line such as "..cut the liver out.." and say very stupidly and ignorantly

"look this author was sinister and is instructing people to cut each others livers out"

do you realize how stupid you would look in public if you did that?

You're copying and pasting what I wrote but don't seem to be replying to anything I said.

Islam is submission to god's will. People who consider themselves Islamic have a belief centred around the quran and sometimes hadith.  I don't believe there's evidence for god or his will or that the quran is anything other than an ancient book of myths written in Arabic, so Muslims are all equally Islamic to me.  I don't claim to be an expert in Islam.

I learned a long time ago it's impossible to debate people about their ancient holy books.  They simply say that verses have been abrogated, the translation is wrong or things of that nature.

Your example of a recipe book saying that you cut out the liver and someone might think it means cut out the liver of humans is a little far fetched compared to the verses in the quran.

The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.

This isn't a verse about crucifying and cutting the hands and feet off a lamb chop you're about to cook.  This verse is a punishment described to the vague offense of waging war against Allah and Muhammad and doing mischief in the land.

I can see how this verse could result in people being crucified for vague offenses which someone could think was waging a war against allah and his messenger, I think you will refuse to see how this could be taken the wrong way though.