His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago

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MNMP

So why didn't somebody like Ibn al-Haytham, or another thinker from that great Arab age preceding the European Renaissance, look at the Quran and say: "The Quran says Allah's Throne is above water, is there a way we can confirm this Quran Iyaht?" Why is it never the Quran that leads people to scientific discoveries? Has any scientist ever looked at the Quran and claimed that it has lead them to a scientific discovery? Why are these only scientific miracles only after the science says it's true or seriously considering them (though in the case of super fluids you are mistaken)?

I frankly have no answer, but I incline to say "how" and maybe "low self-esteem" ?. All the Sunni refrences I saw -I searched in Arabic so Hadith refrences also asserted it- are admitting that the throne of God is on water, and when ancient sayings+Quran say the same thing, it means the POV is extreamly strong beyond measure.

The, Sunni at least, Hadith say (and there is a relevant Quran Iyaht which I will come to)  that Allah's throne directly above Sol, our sun one of the many, many suns in our universe. So to say that the throne is on top of water would be contradictory. The sun would instantly boil the water. e.g. Sahih Bukhari - Book 97, Hadith 60

Narrated Abu Dharr:
I asked the Prophet (ﷺ) regarding the Verse:--'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term decreed for it.' (36.28) He said, "Its fixed course is underneath Allah's Throne."

OR another example:
Sahih Bukhari - Book 65, Hadith 4803
Narrated Abu Dharr:

I asked the Prophet (ﷺ) about the Statement of Allah:-- 'And the sun runs on fixed course for a term (decreed), ' (36.38) He said, "Its course is underneath "Allah's Throne." (Prostration of Sun trees, stars. mentioned in Qur'an and Hadith does not mean like our prostration but it means that these objects are obedient to their Creator (Allah) and they obey for what they have been created for).

We see this Iyaht in the Quran:

Quran 36:38 And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

The context of the Iyaht (my study Quran borrows from the above Hadith and elaborates upon them): Muhammad asked somebody called Abu Dharr at sunset one day about where the sun goes and the Abu Dharr said Allah and his messenger know best. Muhammad subsequently replied and said the sun will travel until it prostates to Allah. And when it is underneath the throne of Allah (where it will surely boil all of the water which you claim is underneath the throne) and it asks Allah if it can rise again the next morning.

So that's his throne is on water debunked using the literature? Come on, the sun is plasma - it's way too hot for water to exist. This is a contradiction in the Quran, surely.

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I'll copy one saying for a scholar called "Al-Rabee'e Ibn Anas" الربيع ابن انس; it's my own translation; it can be found in Arabic here:

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...=49&ID=772

وقال [b]الربيع بن أنس [/b]: ( [b]) فلما خلق السموات والأرض ، قسم ذلك الماء قسمين ، فجعل نصفا تحت العرش ، وهو البحر المسجور . 

Al-Rabee'e Ibn Anas said: (and his throne was on the water), when he created heaven and earth, he divided that water into two: made one under the throne; that is "al bahr al masgoor".

I should note, that "al bahr al masgoor" in Islamic literature, is mentioned in the Quran, and it is said that it's above us, as this saying for "Ali" states:

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d...51&ID=1810

وروى [b]الضحاك [/b]عن [b]النزال بن سبرة [/b]عن [b]علي [/b]أنه قال في البحر المسجور : هو بحر تحت العرش ، غمره كما بين سبع سموات إلى سبع أرضين ، فيه ماء غليظ يقال له : بحر الحيوان . يمطر العباد بعد النفخة الأولى منه أربعين صباحا فينبتون في قبورهم . هذا قول [b]مقاتل [/b]: أقسم الله بهذه الأشياء . ([b]) نازل كائن . 

And the Dahhak foretold, that Al-Nazal the son of Sabra said, that Ali said about "Al bahr al masgoor": it is a sea below the throne, its depth is like the depth between seven heavens to sevens earths, thick water is in it, called: "The sea of the animal/Bahr Al Hayawan". It rains on the slaves after the first blow from it 40 years, so they blossom from their graves...my translation,ends here, the rest is not much.

You can obviously see that they believed in it blindly; a leap of faith if were to be honest; but had no idea what the verse is about.. but it's obvious that the concept is in Islam's core.

Nobody saw what is above, that's for sure..if a new theory refered to something relevant to the verse, in such an obvious matter, indded we gotta comment as Quran readers and believers.

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Quran 5:101-102 say not to question the prophets:
O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing. (101) Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.(102)

So maybe this is why he blindly believed? Muhammad revealed these verses after a man (or people, depending on the interpretation) were asking him 'annoying' questions. I say annoying but maybe that's the wrong word to use.

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I think it's a little unfair to blame people for their dictators. If you were conditioned from birth to believe Adolf Hitler is the greatest man ever, you'd probably believe that. And the threats of violence if you don't do as you're told probably keep a lot of people quiet. People don't like living in Saudi, you even said so yourself, but al-Saud will shoot or stone them if they disobey.


And, you know, these henchmen of al-Saud, just some of the bigots on this Earth, sincerely believe that they are doing the work of Allah. They make Allah look weak in the process of course, though, because if drawing Muhammad was really that bad, Allah would retaliate. Quran 13:13 says Allah will strike people with lightning, in'sha'Allah.

MNMP ! Hey ! I grew up in Saudi Arabia, and was fed all types of Wahhabi/Tribal bullshit, I was taught to worship the Sauds, the king, the long-bearded goat-like scholars, and to hate westerners -wish that they die and their women to become my slaves-, but I grew up to be the AtlasS you see here, and I thank God dearly for that..I grew up to be the villain you see, from 1 to 10, rate my love to the Sauds xD so I can totally say that you're wrong !

I don't agree with what you said about the dictators, but the Saud henchmen, I totally agree: they are the worst, actually, the worst punishment for the Sauds is their own ego and filthy excess spending: did you here about the "2030" plan? their oil is ending, and they are literally panicking,  don't worry, their reign of terror is about to end soon, the demonic century that punished humanity for so long is falling down..

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When Saudi falls I will quietly celebrate. Qatar will be the same as it will fail to adapt. Some in the Saudi elite want to be more like Dubai, I'm sure of it. But they are held back by others who do not want that. Saudi will fail unless it opens up to the world. Dubai realized ages ago that it can't rely on oil forever. For Saudi it's too little too late.

And with the fall of Saudi, all of those Wahaabi-Salafi scholars in the west will starve to death (probably). Only a tiny amount of people are attched to them by puppet strings. Without rich Saudi backers they will fall, along with things like Peace TV and Huda TV. These boobs might make good politicians though, because they are skilled liars.