Free will

[Ignorant]

...  Can I choose b, if gods foreknowledge says a?  

No. Now, before you ignore everything I've written about this already, please reread: This, this and this. Then, think real hard about this:

"If god knows that the tree-which-makes-fruit-according-to-conditions WILL make fruit tomorrow according to conditions, then there is no way that the tree-which-makes-fruit-according-to-conditions WILL NOT make fruit according to conditions. <= My perspective"
-Me, HERE

Applying my perspective to your above question:

Given: you are a thing which acts-by-choosing

If god knows that you-who-act-by-choosing WILL do act B by choosing b, then there is no way that the you-who-act-by-choosing WILL NOT do b by choosing b.

No doubt, instead, you reason:

Given: you are a thing which acts-by-choosing

If god knows that you-who-act-by-choosing WILL do act B _____ _____, then there is no way that the you-who-act-by-choosing WILL NOT do b necessarily. Therefore, divine foreknowledge conflicts with human choice.

 Much time is wasted trying to establish options as though this established choice or free will.  

Might I turn your attention to exhibit A from post #142:



You are about 4 pages behind me on that point.

NP, already elaborated upon with the example of the roads.  Having two -actual- roads in front of you, let alone wispy "possible roads"....doesn't speak to choice or free will.  Does the train choose which of two tracks it goes down?  Does it use it's free will?  No, and no. 

Ok. Let's go real slow here. 

1) Suppose there are two tracks along which a train can go down.
2) Are there a set of events that, if occurring, will determine that the train go down along track 1? Yes, a certain set of events, if present, will determine that the train goes down track 1
3) Are there a set of events that, if occurring, will determine that the train go down along track 2? Yes, a certain set of different events, if present, will determine that the train goes down      track 2.
4) Does the train, therefore, go down either track 1 or track 2 according to conditions? YES!
5) Does the train, therefore, have a choice as to which track to go down along? NO!
6) Does the fact that the train goes down the tracks according to conditions mean that it chooses? NO!
7) Does the fact that the train goes down the tracks according to conditions mean that it has free-will? NO!

"you don't agree because you don't understand" - said every forum apologist ever. I do understand, I still disagree. 

That may be the case, and it may be the case that I am not understanding your understanding... but the following sentences give me pause about that...

I keep telling you that I'm not discussing the nature of contingency, not making any claims regarding determinism..but you keep going on about it.

Oh I dunno, maybe contingency is an important logical prerequisite for choosing, and choosing an important prerequisite for freedom.

Somehow, despite my many statements to the contrary, you think I am arguing this way:

Actions are contingent, and therefore chosen and free. God knows our actions are contingent, and therefore they are chosen and free. <= no.

[EDIT: Does a fruit tree make fruit according to conditions or not?]

Why does it matter, we're discussing free will's compatibility with foreknowledge, not fruit set on my peaches compatibility with foreknowledge.

It's simple, if we can't show that foreknowledge is compatible with non-free contingent things like a fruit tree making fruit, then there is no use in trying to show that foreknowledge is compatible with more complex and detailed things like free action in humans.